[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

jhkim · March 31, 2023, 05:09:27 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2023, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 30, 2023, 02:43:18 PM
Its funny how the second I saw Coyote & Crow I thought (and in essence stated in my video) "this guy is a grifter".
And every single news update after the first has since then only reinforced it.
My son and a few friends signed onto the Kickstarter in 2021. He delivered the PDF on time and the physical product within two months of the estimated date, and it matched what was promised. Regardless of what one thinks of the content of the game, that's better than a lot of Kickstarters have done.

I don't agree with all his politics, but he delivered what he said he would.

But he did not deliver what he said he would.

What didn't he deliver? Are you talking about some of the stretch goals?

Quote from: Venka on March 31, 2023, 11:07:59 AM
Coyote & Crow is one of those things that if I was given a time machine back to not many years ago, I wouldn't be able to convince anyone that it would happen. Like if I could go onto a forum in 1998 or 2008 and I described the entire thing, I'd be banned as trying to make liberals look bad, or whatever. Literally no one would believe the concept, the pitch, the crowdfunding, the man, the interactions, the absurd racialist complaints, or the support it would gain- it would just be dismissed as impossible, in some cases by the people who would YASS QWEEN it just a few years later.

GURPS Alternate Earths was published in 1996, and featured a timeline ("Ezcalli") where Aztecs were an advanced, world-dominant culture, and European civilization collapsed - with Mongol and African civilizations dominant. Here's a version of the world map from it:

Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt" was published in 2002 with a similar premise.

VisionStorm · March 31, 2023, 06:51:07 PM

Quote from: The Spaniard on March 31, 2023, 01:06:20 PMI never made an argument, just a statement.

A moronic statement that I refuted nonetheless.

QuoteYour inability to tell the difference proves my earlier point.

And your insistence on nitpicking irrelevant details rather than attack the substance of what I said after I just told you that's all you're doing proves mine.

Keep strutting around victoriously, pigeon.

Grognard GM · March 31, 2023, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 31, 2023, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard on March 31, 2023, 01:06:20 PMI never made an argument, just a statement.

A moronic statement that I refuted nonetheless.

QuoteYour inability to tell the difference proves my earlier point.

And your insistence on nitpicking irrelevant details rather than attack the substance of what I said after I just told you that's all you're doing proves mine.

Keep strutting around victoriously, pigeon.

FingerRod · March 31, 2023, 09:41:26 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2023, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 30, 2023, 02:43:18 PM
Its funny how the second I saw Coyote & Crow I thought (and in essence stated in my video) "this guy is a grifter".
And every single news update after the first has since then only reinforced it.
My son and a few friends signed onto the Kickstarter in 2021. He delivered the PDF on time and the physical product within two months of the estimated date, and it matched what was promised. Regardless of what one thinks of the content of the game, that's better than a lot of Kickstarters have done.

I don't agree with all his politics, but he delivered what he said he would.

But he did not deliver what he said he would.

What didn't he deliver? Are you talking about some of the stretch goals?

Yes.

VisionStorm · March 31, 2023, 10:14:55 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on March 31, 2023, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on March 31, 2023, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard on March 31, 2023, 01:06:20 PMI never made an argument, just a statement.

A moronic statement that I refuted nonetheless.

QuoteYour inability to tell the difference proves my earlier point.

And your insistence on nitpicking irrelevant details rather than attack the substance of what I said after I just told you that's all you're doing proves mine.

Keep strutting around victoriously, pigeon.

Your continued lack of argument and inability to know WTF a troll even is, is noted.

The Spaniard · March 31, 2023, 10:18:38 PM

Good grief, the pigeon thing is so overdone. At least put a little effort into it...

jhkim · March 31, 2023, 10:19:22 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2023, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 30, 2023, 02:43:18 PM
Its funny how the second I saw Coyote & Crow I thought (and in essence stated in my video) "this guy is a grifter".
And every single news update after the first has since then only reinforced it.
My son and a few friends signed onto the Kickstarter in 2021. He delivered the PDF on time and the physical product within two months of the estimated date, and it matched what was promised. Regardless of what one thinks of the content of the game, that's better than a lot of Kickstarters have done.

I don't agree with all his politics, but he delivered what he said he would.

But he did not deliver what he said he would.

What didn't he deliver? Are you talking about some of the stretch goals?

Yes.

Dude. This feels like playing twenty questions. If you have a point, then please express what was missed and how this shows that the creator is a grifter.

I wasn't a backer, but from search, it looks to me like the stretch goals are almost all there. Spot UV cover, two-page Cahokia city map, name generator, rules light intro, language wiki, and mobile app.

The only one that apparently hasn't been delivered yet is the last one - a one-shot adventure by author Rebecca Roanhorse, which I suspect is an issue with Roanhorse and not with the creator.

Delivering the core product and 9/10 stretch goals on time is a solid win compared to many RPG kickstarter campaigns.

VisionStorm · April 01, 2023, 07:40:23 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard on March 31, 2023, 10:18:38 PM
Good grief, the pigeon thing is so overdone. At least put a little effort into it...

The real question is can either of you spurned bitches argue points without either resorting to personal attacks or dismissive nitpicking that purposefully misses the point? And before you nitpick this out, yes, I also resort to personal attacks...in response to personal attacks. Never as a first line of action the moment my fragile mind can't formulate a counterargument. And I never nitpick, ever. Cuz that's what mental midgets do.

The Spaniard · April 01, 2023, 07:58:53 AM

Your fragile mind... you said it, not me.

FingerRod · April 01, 2023, 09:12:40 AM

Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2023, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:21:15 AM
Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2023, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 30, 2023, 02:43:18 PM
Its funny how the second I saw Coyote & Crow I thought (and in essence stated in my video) "this guy is a grifter".
And every single news update after the first has since then only reinforced it.
My son and a few friends signed onto the Kickstarter in 2021. He delivered the PDF on time and the physical product within two months of the estimated date, and it matched what was promised. Regardless of what one thinks of the content of the game, that's better than a lot of Kickstarters have done.

I don't agree with all his politics, but he delivered what he said he would.

But he did not deliver what he said he would.

What didn't he deliver? Are you talking about some of the stretch goals?

Yes.

Dude. This feels like playing twenty questions. If you have a point, then please express what was missed and how this shows that the creator is a grifter.

I wasn't a backer, but from search, it looks to me like the stretch goals are almost all there. Spot UV cover, two-page Cahokia city map, name generator, rules light intro, language wiki, and mobile app.

The only one that apparently hasn't been delivered yet is the last one - a one-shot adventure by author Rebecca Roanhorse, which I suspect is an issue with Roanhorse and not with the creator.

Delivering the core product and 9/10 stretch goals on time is a solid win compared to many RPG kickstarter campaigns.

It isn't 20 questions. You've already answered it yourself. Now add in the book donation fiasco. So no, he did not deliver on his promises. It is that simple.

Validin · April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

Ever since Harlem Unbound's blatant racism, everything they make's become a political product. I think this is half the reason they even do these time period books, so they can warp and change history to fit their narrative.

THE_Leopold · April 05, 2023, 08:26:46 PM

Quote from: Validin on April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

Ever since Harlem Unbound's blatant racism, everything they make's become a political product. I think this is half the reason they even do these time period books, so they can warp and change history to fit their narrative.

They TECHNICALLY aren't wrong. Crossdressing Men and Women have existed forever. Was it as prevalent and noticed as today? No, because they tried insanely hard to pass. Same for Homosexuality, there was a reason why the old saying of "Came out of the Closet" was used...

That's the difference. Also, fuck Chaosium.

Baron · April 05, 2023, 08:41:41 PM

Also you can check out these guys, who have been making free d100 SRDs for a while now. I think Chaosium is now copying them by producing these little niche settings.

https://cthulhureborn.wordpress.com/category/open-cthulhu/

Zelen · April 05, 2023, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 05, 2023, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: Validin on April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

Ever since Harlem Unbound's blatant racism, everything they make's become a political product. I think this is half the reason they even do these time period books, so they can warp and change history to fit their narrative.

They TECHNICALLY aren't wrong. Crossdressing Men and Women have existed forever. Was it as prevalent and noticed as today? No, because they tried insanely hard to pass. Same for Homosexuality, there was a reason why the old saying of "Came out of the Closet" was used...

That's the difference. Also, fuck Chaosium.

It's statistically untrue that LGBTQIA+ mental illnesses are constant over time. You can easily disprove this claim by looking at virtually any statistics that measure this. If they can't even get this type of bullshit right, why would I trust anything else they write?

Armchair Gamer · April 05, 2023, 08:47:21 PM

Quote from: Validin on April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

If you've got this, maybe you can answer something I've been morbidly curious about: Is Regency England presented as more or less sympathetic than Weimar Berlin in Chaosium's recent products?