Quote from: mudbanks on December 19, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
Thanks for confirming my thoughts! The author's also provided good support on the game on Discord.

If you have a Discord that they publish on, I definitely recommend using Discord's built in search.  Just look around for terms that a wokist cannot avoid- privilege, normative, racism, cis, trans, fascist, "black lives", "black bodies", etc.  Discord will helpfully let you "jump" to that section, and you can see if the conversation involved the Discord moderators coming in and busting heads, or referring everyone to some preachy bullshit on their website, etc.  It's a very effective search if a Discord server is available, and you won't be left wondering normally.

Quote from: PulpHerb on December 16, 2022, 04:21:01 PM

Quote from: erc1971 on December 12, 2022, 04:02:04 PM
Strangely they have not "gone broke" yet.  I still see alot of youtubers doing videos on their stuff, and their sales seem to be strong.  Though, a semi-woke friend of mine is starting to get tired of their business tactics and is eyeing another war game to replace Warhammer.  The only time GW ever gets money from me is if I cannot find a paint that isn't duplicated by an alternative company, I avoid giving them cash as much as possible.

I think their business practices will be their doom more than woke.

One, outside of that one statement I haven't heard of it filtering out to official events.  A lot of people who might be pissed off probably missed it.

The real complaints I hear about them are not updating factions before yet another revision, balance being horrible, and the effectiveness pricing model.

If the rumors about "female Space Marines" are true, though, that might be woke that hurts them.

I keep hearing the same rumors, but nothing seems to appear. I suspect it's wishful thinking by the idiot progs.

If you want to play a female army, the Sisters of Battle are right there, after all.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 21, 2022, 08:18:28 AM

Quote from: PulpHerb on December 16, 2022, 04:21:01 PM

Quote from: erc1971 on December 12, 2022, 04:02:04 PM
Strangely they have not "gone broke" yet.  I still see alot of youtubers doing videos on their stuff, and their sales seem to be strong.  Though, a semi-woke friend of mine is starting to get tired of their business tactics and is eyeing another war game to replace Warhammer.  The only time GW ever gets money from me is if I cannot find a paint that isn't duplicated by an alternative company, I avoid giving them cash as much as possible.

I think their business practices will be their doom more than woke.

One, outside of that one statement I haven't heard of it filtering out to official events.  A lot of people who might be pissed off probably missed it.

The real complaints I hear about them are not updating factions before yet another revision, balance being horrible, and the effectiveness pricing model.

If the rumors about "female Space Marines" are true, though, that might be woke that hurts them.

I keep hearing the same rumors, but nothing seems to appear. I suspect it's wishful thinking by the idiot progs.

If you want to play a female army, the Sisters of Battle are right there, after all.

Or, if you really, really have to have female space marines, just use space marines. A woman would look the same as a man under all that armour. Just lift a few heads from sisters of battle for the officers without helmets. Where has the DIY attitude gone in war games? Or do they need exaggerated breasts on the armour like the sisters of battle have? If so, I don't want to think why. But as ever, there's people wanting to wokify old lore.

Having said that, there seems to be no sign of GW caving, which I find promising.

Aside from the lore where supposedly the geneseed is only compatible with male biology, yeah a female space marine would be no different from a male. The space marines are so roided up and modified they are only superficially human by the time the get fully inducted into a company. After all that fuckery, a female space marine would probably have the same jawline as Gabriel Angelos.

Incidentally I choose to believe the if the emperor had a TTS reason for no female space marines: girls are icky.

Also, the Sororitas have fantastic models why not play them?

Quote from: Jaeger on December 15, 2022, 10:00:56 PM

Helveczia is the business. It has the best alignment system I've seen for any game. A shame that it's a boxed set, I'd be interested to see Pundit's take on it.

I don't have it, but what I've read about it sounds pretty great.

I might not know the full story, but from what I know surface-level shouldn't Pinnacle be set to Yellow? They've not insulted their fans, but rewriting their entire setting's history to appease politically correct wokesters as well as supposedly trying to not have "too many" white characters in their book should be, I think, enough to say they've been questionable at best.

For those who may not know, brief rundown is that Deadlands originally did some mundane alt-history with its setting unrelated to the supernatural or horror themes. The biggest change was that Britain intervened on behalf of the Confederacy in the American Civil War under the condition they'd begin working to abolish slavery and this brought the war to a stalemate. Washington D.C. was blockaded and then occupied by British troops, which led the Union and the Confederacy to negotiate a truce. This is based on the popular real-world alt-history question of how the war would've gone had Britain and/or France joined the war, and ongoing tensions between North and South formed a major part of the setting's drama, as well as having the chance for mixed parties of Northern or Southern-supporting characters, but with the overall plot putting an emphasis on uniting to combat the supernatural threats in the West.

This was of course way too offensive for some people, for some reason, and the entire plot was scrapped and anyone holding pro-Confederacy views made into evil villains. A big change to the setting and tone got removed exclusively for woke political reasons.

For Schwalb Entertainment, I think Green is alright, but Schwalb did donate to a BLM-associated group and did the usual "#BLM" spiel on Twitter about it. He also renamed Shadow of the Mad Wizard to Weird Wizard after someone told him it was "ableist" otherwise. These seem to be the only two times he's blended politics with his game, but I think they're worth a mention.

I'd also suggest adding Eden Studios (All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Conspiracy X, Buffy RPG, Unisystem) to the Green section. They're not active anymore, but the owner still runs a game shop in NYC and seems like a cool dude. The games are products of the early 2000s and predate any woke nonsense, but they also keep largely apolitical to early 2000s issues too, as in no tirades about elections, Bush, Gore, Iraq, and so on. Eden's games are still on sale and I think they're worth supporting.

Games Workshop should be listed under Yellow or even Red, as my last opinion in the post. They've taken a strong "anti-fascist" in the modern sense stance in the past few years, supported BLM, and so on. Warhammer itself was always an actively left-leaning game that incorporated real-world politics in its content to varying degrees, though it's gotten more aggressive in the last decade. Lots of pronouns in bios, xy/xyr pronouns in some of the books, and so on.

Quote from: Jaeger on December 15, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Helveczia is the business. It has the best alignment system I've seen for any game.

Any discussion of it anywhere?

Quote from: Validin on December 28, 2022, 05:57:54 PM
I might not know the full story, but from what I know surface-level shouldn't Pinnacle be set to Yellow? They've not insulted their fans, but rewriting their entire setting's history to appease politically correct wokesters as well as supposedly trying to not have "too many" white characters in their book should be, I think, enough to say they've been questionable at best.

Seconded.

They GUTTED their setting for the sake of woke points, to the point where I won't play the new version.

They've also gone down the modern D&D route of changing female combatants from an (already anachronistic) accepted minority, in to female Marshalls, soldiers and gunslingers slapped on every cover and piece of art, and massively upped their frequency as NPCs.

I know it's an alternate history book, but it's basically our world until a little over a decade before the game is set. Are we really supposed to think that half the military officers, law enforcement, and bounty hunters are suddenly women?

The verisimilitude is destroyed, and for no reason apart from back pats.

Quote from: Validin on December 28, 2022, 05:57:54 PM
I'd also suggest adding Eden Studios (All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Conspiracy X, Buffy RPG, Unisystem) to the Green section. They're not active anymore, but the owner still runs a game shop in NYC and seems like a cool dude. The games are products of the early 2000s and predate any woke nonsense, but they also keep largely apolitical to early 2000s issues too, as in no tirades about elections, Bush, Gore, Iraq, and so on. Eden's games are still on sale and I think they're worth supporting.

I understand this.  A lot of companies, and individuals, went on the #BLM bandwagon, before most people understood that #BLM means non-black lives DON'T matter, or before realizing there was a difference in the principle of #BLM (literally, that black people should be treated like anyone else) and BLM INC. (the communist-run organization run by racist Marxists who, ironically, got rich on George Floyd's death).  It wasn't when Steve Jackson said,"Black Lives Matter" that I thought it should be put on the red list; it was when he made his unhinged extremist and highly conspiratorial (he must have inhaled too many of his Illuminati cards' fumes) screed.

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Games Workshop should be listed under Yellow or even Red, as my last opinion in the post. They've taken a strong "anti-fascist" in the modern sense stance in the past few years, supported BLM, and so on. Warhammer itself was always an actively left-leaning game that incorporated real-world politics in its content to varying degrees, though it's gotten more aggressive in the last decade. Lots of pronouns in bios, xy/xyr pronouns in some of the books, and so on.

GW's "if you aren't a woke extremist, 'Good riddance'" comment makes their redness clear.  And yeah,modern "Anti-fascist" means fascist.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on December 29, 2022, 10:02:46 AM

Quote from: Validin on December 28, 2022, 05:57:54 PM
I'd also suggest adding Eden Studios (All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Conspiracy X, Buffy RPG, Unisystem) to the Green section. They're not active anymore, but the owner still runs a game shop in NYC and seems like a cool dude. The games are products of the early 2000s and predate any woke nonsense, but they also keep largely apolitical to early 2000s issues too, as in no tirades about elections, Bush, Gore, Iraq, and so on. Eden's games are still on sale and I think they're worth supporting.

I understand this.  A lot of companies, and individuals, went on the #BLM bandwagon, before most people understood that #BLM means non-black lives DON'T matter, or before realizing there was a difference in the principle of #BLM (literally, that black people should be treated like anyone else) and BLM INC. (the communist-run organization run by racist Marxists who, ironically, got rich on George Floyd's death).  It wasn't when Steve Jackson said,"Black Lives Matter" that I thought it should be put on the red list; it was when he made his unhinged extremist and highly conspiratorial (he must have inhaled too many of his Illuminati cards' fumes) screed.  (and donating profits to child killing)

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Games Workshop should be listed under Yellow or even Red, as my last opinion in the post. They've taken a strong "anti-fascist" in the modern sense stance in the past few years, supported BLM, and so on. Warhammer itself was always an actively left-leaning game that incorporated real-world politics in its content to varying degrees, though it's gotten more aggressive in the last decade. Lots of pronouns in bios, xy/xyr pronouns in some of the books, and so on.

GW's "if you aren't a woke extremist, 'Good riddance'" comment makes their redness clear.  And yeah,modern "Anti-fascist" means fascist.

Troll Lord Games doin' a solid over on Twitter, and getting the usual hate in return.

EDIT: A note about their no-politics stance could definitely be added to their entry in The List.

https://twitter.com/trolllordgames/status/1608166129851314180

Quote from: Daddy Warpig on December 29, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
Troll Lord Games doin' a solid over on Twitter, and getting the usual hate in return.

https://twitter.com/trolllordgames/status/1608166129851314180

Looks like most people on Twitter supported that post and agreed with it.

I've met Steven Chenault at conventions and elsewhere, and he always seemed like a cool guy to me. Jason Vey said some stupid stuff, but guys in other gaming companies have said way worse things.

I think Troll Lord is just fine. One jerk doesn't represent a whole company

Bravo Troll Lord Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzWbQUNeQxU

Troll Lord shows one of few effective ways of dealing with these toads. Never bend the knee. It's easy to back down when you feel buried in an avalanche of progressive phrases, keywords and accusations.

There are definitely people attacking Troll Lord for announcing an apolitical stance.  And yes, "Nazi" has already appeared, lol. 

I love RPG's, but I can't stand most of the community.


(Most of you excepted, of course.)