Safe bet is to check the writers bio in the Kickstarter. If you see a plethora of pronouns you know the project is pozzed.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 17, 2022, 01:11:31 PM
Safe bet is to check the writers bio in the Kickstarter. If you see a plethora of pronouns you know the project is pozzed.

I have avoided a Kickstarter for this reason. If a few include their pronouns I don't think much of it, but when I see that everyone has their pronouns listed that's when I know it's a project where the Woke cult is mandating only the strictest goodthink will be allowed.

I was looking into Shadows of the Demon Lord based on a discussion thread pimping it over reddit (I know, but sometimes I go there anyway).  I was at first happy to see it green, and then I did my cursory search and found this:
https://twitter.com/schwalb_ent/status/1269428881691488256
If twitter is annoying for you, this is the quote:
"Since founding this company, I have made it a point to keep my personal politics and my company separate, believing that my customers generally don't care for whom I vote or what causes I support. But the time for my silence is over. #BlackLivesMatter."
He then did some triple fist emoji, and linked to a (now defunct) link to his own website, and included an image of a receipt for donating 1,022.80 to The Bail Project.
This was on June 6th, 2020, and since then he hasn't exactly continued to use his platform to do further anti-white stuff.  The Bail Project, while definitely solidly something like lefty/woke, does not appear nearly as strange a beast as the actual BLM infrastructure itself.  It also got itself in trouble in 2021 for some evil thing that is outside the scope of my post- but at the time of the donation, it doesn't seem like they had nearly the same background as many of the other agents of universal destruction that were being peddled by the mainstream media.

I then came here and searched in the thread, and found several pieces of discussion about this- but difficult to find, especially as they were all prior to the Page 200 Abortion Banwave, and many other dramadrops and debates in this 215 page thread (that will likely grow to as many pages as the software allows).
Here's a good one:

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

So my request is, could there be some parenthetical in the OP mentioning some abbreviated version of this ("tweeted blacklivesmatter, donated to bail project") or something?  I get that this is nowhere near the egregious player-hating behavior of something in the red, but having people stumble in here and having to do their own search kind of minimizes the value of the list.  I feel if something is in the green list without comment, no trivial internet search should reveal open support for woke stuff.

Quote from: Venka on September 18, 2022, 02:46:17 PM



So my request is, could there be some parenthetical in the OP mentioning some abbreviated version of this ("tweeted blacklivesmatter, donated to bail project") or something?  I get that this is nowhere near the egregious player-hating behavior of something in the red, but having people stumble in here and having to do their own search kind of minimizes the value of the list.  I feel if something is in the green list without comment, no trivial internet search should reveal open support for woke stuff.

Unless what you found was ground breaking revelations on something  new and relevant then it'll stay off the list.  You posting here will help others make their own choice in if they want to spend their money on SoDL products. You did your own research and now you can make a concious decision based upon that fact.  This is a tennament of this list and other ones like it: Do your homework. 

The OP is just a guide, you make your choice.

Strong disagree.  Much worse than groundbreaking, it's old news that got brought up and didn't make its way into the OP.

The green area is "These are entities that have not engaged in any known anti-consumer behavior and generally have remained apolitical."  Someone saying that they are done not talking about their politics and then donating publicly to a leftist charity, during Awful Performative Crime Summer, is definitely virtue signalling woke stuff. 

If someone is in green with no qualifiers, that should mean that there's not anything to note.

QuoteYou did your own research and now you can make a concious decision based upon that fact.

Right, but I didn't need a list to do that.  The list is supposed to have these kinds of things tacked on, right?  Certainly many of the other companies under green mention some political behavior, so you don't have to research every single thing anew every time.  Also searching through this thread is, to put it mildly, a bit rough around the edges.  Anything except the head and tail of this stuff is wildlands for sure.

Venka, you are right. There are two companies that remain in the green that have been given a pass. SotDL is one and Savage Worlds is the other. Personally, I have SotDL in red and Savage Worlds in yellow. But both titles are rather popular around here. Examples have already been given and I'm not going to waste time in rehashing it.

It is enough that I no longer view this thread as any kind of credible guide. I do my own research and make purchases based on what I find. At this point I am not spending so much money on TTRPGs that I cannot spare the time.

Quote from: FingerRod on September 19, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Venka, you are right. There are two companies that remain in the green that have been given a pass. SotDL is one and Savage Worlds is the other. Personally, I have SotDL in red and Savage Worlds in yellow. But both titles are rather popular around here. Examples have already been given and I'm not going to waste time in rehashing it.

It is enough that I no longer view this thread as any kind of credible guide. I do my own research and make purchases based on what I find. At this point I am not spending so much money on TTRPGs that I cannot spare the time.

It makes the list useless is companies are given a pass just because people like the game. Shouldn't the list be transparent and unbiased?

Quote from: Vampire Rabbit on September 19, 2022, 04:58:26 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on September 19, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Venka, you are right. There are two companies that remain in the green that have been given a pass. SotDL is one and Savage Worlds is the other. Personally, I have SotDL in red and Savage Worlds in yellow. But both titles are rather popular around here. Examples have already been given and I'm not going to waste time in rehashing it.

It is enough that I no longer view this thread as any kind of credible guide. I do my own research and make purchases based on what I find. At this point I am not spending so much money on TTRPGs that I cannot spare the time.

It makes the list useless is companies are given a pass just because people like the game. Shouldn't the list be transparent and unbiased?

Well, the defenders of those two games will be here any second to defend it. But yes, to answer your question, it should be transparent and unbiased.

Quote from: Venka on September 18, 2022, 02:46:17 PM
I was looking into Shadows of the Demon Lord based on a discussion thread pimping it over reddit (I know, but sometimes I go there anyway).  I was at first happy to see it green, and then I did my cursory search and found this:
https://twitter.com/schwalb_ent/status/1269428881691488256
If twitter is annoying for you, this is the quote:
"Since founding this company, I have made it a point to keep my personal politics and my company separate, believing that my customers generally don't care for whom I vote or what causes I support. But the time for my silence is over. #BlackLivesMatter."
He then did some triple fist emoji, and linked to a (now defunct) link to his own website, and included an image of a receipt for donating 1,022.80 to The Bail Project.
This was on June 6th, 2020, and since then he hasn't exactly continued to use his platform to do further anti-white stuff.  The Bail Project, while definitely solidly something like lefty/woke, does not appear nearly as strange a beast as the actual BLM infrastructure itself.  It also got itself in trouble in 2021 for some evil thing that is outside the scope of my post- but at the time of the donation, it doesn't seem like they had nearly the same background as many of the other agents of universal destruction that were being peddled by the mainstream media.

I then came here and searched in the thread, and found several pieces of discussion about this- but difficult to find, especially as they were all prior to the Page 200 Abortion Banwave, and many other dramadrops and debates in this 215 page thread (that will likely grow to as many pages as the software allows).
Here's a good one:

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

So my request is, could there be some parenthetical in the OP mentioning some abbreviated version of this ("tweeted blacklivesmatter, donated to bail project") or something?  I get that this is nowhere near the egregious player-hating behavior of something in the red, but having people stumble in here and having to do their own search kind of minimizes the value of the list.  I feel if something is in the green list without comment, no trivial internet search should reveal open support for woke stuff.

i think it was just an oversight, got anything from them? I put RTal in yellow for a few reasons. From what i remember there wasnt a whole lot on their page, product or discord.


Edit: all the digging that ive done comes up nothing, i found the tweet you mentioned but the article it links to has been taken down with a 404 not found error. I could put a note there or something, they are not the only person who has been duped by BLM and their bullshit.

I tend to agree Ocule should move Savage Worlds and Shadow of the Demon Lord to yellow.

Hello all!  First post on the forum.

Please forgive this post for not having combed through all 220-pages-and-counting to see if the question has already been addressed.  Thanks in advance for addressing the query.

"New Haven Games" or whomever currently profits from the 2e clone "Myth & Magic" -- where do they land on this color code?

Quote from: Hayde on September 27, 2022, 12:19:28 PM


"New Haven Games" or whomever currently profits from the 2e clone "Myth & Magic" -- where do they land on this color code?

no idea, never heard of them, what have you seen?

Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 27, 2022, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: Hayde on September 27, 2022, 12:19:28 PM


"New Haven Games" or whomever currently profits from the 2e clone "Myth & Magic" -- where do they land on this color code?

no idea, never heard of them, what have you seen?

Thanks for the reply!

I've only seen the core product itself and through a cursory read through have no reason to doubt the conduct of the creators or their business whatsoever.  I'm not even sure they're still active or retain the custody of their 'dba.'

I'm just hoping to take advantage of the more knowledgeable people here with a shared perspective before I sink more time, interest, and dollars into the system and its line.  (If they or the inheritors of the IP are not "in the green," I've got plenty of other things to do with my time.)

Quote from: Hayde on September 27, 2022, 12:31:19 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on September 27, 2022, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: Hayde on September 27, 2022, 12:19:28 PM


"New Haven Games" or whomever currently profits from the 2e clone "Myth & Magic" -- where do they land on this color code?

no idea, never heard of them, what have you seen?

Thanks for the reply!

I've only seen the core product itself and through a cursory read through have no reason to doubt the conduct of the creators or their business whatsoever.  I'm not even sure they're still active or retain the custody of their 'dba.'

I'm just hoping to take advantage of the more knowledgeable people here with a shared perspective before I sink more time, interest, and dollars into the system and its line.  (If they or the inheritors of the IP are not "in the green," I've got plenty of other things to do with my time.)

   Was the game ever produced? I remember a lot of angry Kickstarter backers.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on September 27, 2022, 02:51:31 PM

   Was the game ever produced? I remember a lot of angry Kickstarter backers.

It was mentioned in different articles on OSR, and is currently for sale on DTRPG.  I had forgotten the kickstarter mess, but you're right--as I understand it many who paid with reason to think they'd receive a hardback never got it.  (So I stand corrected: there's reason to criticize the production outfit, for other reasons if not political pandering.)