Quote from: Psion42 on February 13, 2022, 10:52:58 PM
- Is having Kobold Press in yellow and red categories a typo?  If so, which one is it?

Typo - I recall I asked Ocule to move them from red to yellow & he agreed.

Quote from: Psion42 on February 13, 2022, 10:52:58 PM
- For companies that publish supplementary material under an OGL for a Red company (such as Paizo or Wizards of the Coast) are they judged by their own behaviors or by the behaviors of their parent company?  Granted, Kobold Press' entry probably should answer my own question but that brings me to my second one...

Welcome to the boards.

I think the healthiest thing to do is make that determination for yourself. I do not agree with everything on the list, and do not feel compelled try to correct anything. Like any other buying guide out there, it is just one piece of information to inform a decision. For example, I do not believe in the yellow category at all. The companies in that category, to me, are either 'red' or 'green'.

As for creators who use OGLs of red companies, I do not see any issue at all. If you started a company that solely produced modules for 5e, I would not associate you with WotC. In fact, I believe using the OGLs actually means you are the opposite.

Incidentally, I was on the Goodman Games forum the other day and there was a new member all in a tizzy because he/she/they/it/whatever couldn't figure out which printing of the core rulebook had the gender neutral pronouns and they just couldn't go forward playing without it....

Quote from: Persimmon on February 14, 2022, 10:37:35 AM
Incidentally, I was on the Goodman Games forum the other day and there was a new member all in a tizzy because he/she/they/it/whatever couldn't figure out which printing of the core rulebook had the gender neutral pronouns and they just couldn't go forward playing without it....

Jesus Christ! How weak are these mental amoebas? It's pathetic.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 14, 2022, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Persimmon on February 14, 2022, 10:37:35 AM
Incidentally, I was on the Goodman Games forum the other day and there was a new member all in a tizzy because he/she/they/it/whatever couldn't figure out which printing of the core rulebook had the gender neutral pronouns and they just couldn't go forward playing without it....

Jesus Christ! How weak are these mental amoebas? It's pathetic.

If they think it's hard now, wait till they fail a saving throw versus some flavor of suck.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 14, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
If they think it's hard now, wait till they fail a saving throw versus some flavor of suck.

I hope it roasts them.

Quote from: FingerRod on February 14, 2022, 08:42:35 AM

Quote from: Psion42 on February 13, 2022, 10:52:58 PM
- For companies that publish supplementary material under an OGL for a Red company (such as Paizo or Wizards of the Coast) are they judged by their own behaviors or by the behaviors of their parent company?  Granted, Kobold Press' entry probably should answer my own question but that brings me to my second one...

Welcome to the boards.

I think the healthiest thing to do is make that determination for yourself. I do not agree with everything on the list, and do not feel compelled try to correct anything. Like any other buying guide out there, it is just one piece of information to inform a decision. For example, I do not believe in the yellow category at all. The companies in that category, to me, are either 'red' or 'green'.

As for creators who use OGLs of red companies, I do not see any issue at all. If you started a company that solely produced modules for 5e, I would not associate you with WotC. In fact, I believe using the OGLs actually means you are the opposite.

Thanks, good to be here and hopefully contribute something meaningful to the conversation.  Was disappointed to see Coyote and Crow on this list but not surprised as I watched the creator do a dev diary with a "Rage Against the Colonizers" shirt which was... certainly something.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I've been doing.  Using it as a rough guide for who should get my money from here on forward.  I have to disagree with you on the yellow category though, as there needs to be a middle group to acknowledge where things get murky and you need to dig a little deeper before deciding if the company is one you're comfortable supporting.  After all, something something Sith something something absolutes.  But I'm getting off topic.

Anyway, enough critiquing, apologies if these have been brought up before but here are my own observations/nominations to the list:

Tomkin Press (Ironsworn, Starforged):  Character sheets have a section for pronouns.  Includes a boilerplate content warning... for a system designed for playing solo or without a GM.  Lol wut?

Destiny Horizons Inc:  Made the Destiny Aurora supplement for Starfinder.  Creator of the Destiny Aurora universe (which exist as novels, comics, a board game, and the aforementioned Starfinder supplement) and company CEO Frank Zanca has spoken out against Wokeness on his Youtube channel.

The biggest problem the non-woke companies have is that they have a whole lot against them, but almost zero backing. How the hell does the 92% think we ended up in a world where Dr. Suess books are getting banned? Once the woke got away with that then they knew they could get away with anything.

If the damn 92% won't stand up for the late Dr. Suess why should any company think they'll get any backing?

So one after the other companies will go woke or go down in flames.

Quote from: Redwanderer on February 16, 2022, 03:30:06 PM
The biggest problem the non-woke companies have is that they have a whole lot against them, but almost zero backing. How the hell does the 92% think we ended up in a world where Dr. Suess books are getting banned? Once the woke got away with that then they knew they could get away with anything.

If the damn 92% won't stand up for the late Dr. Suess why should any company think they'll get any backing?

So one after the other companies will go woke or go down in flames.

Honestly cant argue. Theyve destroyed almost all fandoms...crushed so many IP's: Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, marvel, DC and now Tolkien...Majority of Big Name RPG's are following suit: Cthulhu, D&D, Battletech, Shadowrun, Deadlands, WoD (though they were always a little iffy after Rein-Hagen left)...

If people dont come out against them and fight back...and I dont mean just not buying...but something...anything...weve got to figure something out or its done

Quote from: The Comedian on February 16, 2022, 07:25:57 PM

Honestly cant argue. Theyve destroyed almost all fandoms...crushed so many IP's: Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, marvel, DC and now Tolkien...Majority of Big Name RPG's are following suit: Cthulhu, D&D, Battletech, Shadowrun, Deadlands, WoD (though they were always a little iffy after Rein-Hagen left)...

If people dont come out against them and fight back...and I dont mean just not buying...but something...anything...weve got to figure something out or its done

Is there a fandom that needs to be excised from polite society that we can, err, direct them to?

Asking for a friend.

Here's the thing, for this list, what I think should happen is that we do generate a slight bias in this form: little-known woke companies and projects should NOT be put on the red list, to avoid granting them free attention.
On the other hand, if there's a little-known anti-woke company, it SHOULD be put on the Green List, to promote it.

I'd nominate Total Party Skills for Green, but I don't know if he would want to be on any lists one way or another. 
Pretty chill dude, IMO.  Has a series of games I found interesting, and a good YouTube channel.

Quote from: The Comedian on February 16, 2022, 07:25:57 PM

Quote from: Redwanderer on February 16, 2022, 03:30:06 PM
The biggest problem the non-woke companies have is that they have a whole lot against them, but almost zero backing. How the hell does the 92% think we ended up in a world where Dr. Suess books are getting banned? Once the woke got away with that then they knew they could get away with anything.

If the damn 92% won't stand up for the late Dr. Suess why should any company think they'll get any backing?

So one after the other companies will go woke or go down in flames.

Honestly cant argue. Theyve destroyed almost all fandoms...crushed so many IP's: Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, marvel, DC and now Tolkien...Majority of Big Name RPG's are following suit: Cthulhu, D&D, Battletech, Shadowrun, Deadlands, WoD (though they were always a little iffy after Rein-Hagen left)...

If people dont come out against them and fight back...and I dont mean just not buying...but something...anything...weve got to figure something out or its done

They can destroy IPs they actually own, such as Star Trek and Star Wars, but they can't destroy Tolkien. Amazon's Middle Earth might be Bezo's Middle Earth, but it sure ain't Tolkien's. The good thing about the Cthulhu Mythos is that anyone can make a game about it. Chaosium merely owns the rights to the CoC game.

Quote from: Psion42 on February 14, 2022, 07:44:28 PM
I have to disagree with you on the yellow category though, as there needs to be a middle group to acknowledge where things get murky and you need to dig a little deeper before deciding if the company is one you're comfortable supporting.  After all, something something Sith something something absolutes.  But I'm getting off topic.

That is a good point. I was thinking about it from a place that ultimately I will either purchase or not purchase so somebody in the yellow ends up effectively in one of the other categories, however, you bring up a really important point. That decision had a starting point, and having the murky can be important.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 16, 2022, 09:28:53 PM
On the other hand, if there's a little-known anti-woke company, it SHOULD be put on the Green List, to promote it.

Taking this further, if you would consider a suggestion - what about only having a Green List? It would make the list more about promotion than anything negative, and could become a gold standard for those looking?