Quote from: dkabq on January 31, 2022, 06:25:35 AM

Quote from: moonsweeper on January 31, 2022, 02:22:12 AM
It is from SotDL. 

I have no idea what point HD is trying to make but based on past history it will be some sort of passive-aggressive 'gotcha' that fits his personality type...

SotDL?

SotDL = Shadow of the Demon Lord
https://schwalbentertainment.com/shadow-of-the-demon-lord/

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 31, 2022, 02:30:17 AM

Quote from: moonsweeper on January 31, 2022, 02:22:12 AM
It is from SotDL. 

I have no idea what point HD is trying to make but based on past history it will be some sort of passive-aggressive 'gotcha' that fits his personality type...

Yep, that's the game I got the description of "humans" from. I like the game quite a bit, and the setting is very humanocentric. However, the descriptions of their humans seem quite at odds with most of the artwork and the overall feel of the game line.

I'm curious to know who thinks this is some form of politically motivated inclusion vs those that just think it's basic weird fantasy dressings.

SotDL is a game, that was highly reccomended to me by several someones who hate the wokeness being pushed down our collective throats by means of destroying our entertainment, one of which is a self proclaimed socialist/"democratic" socialist.

So much so that I went and bought the pdf, add another game to my to read/play/run list.

Given who reccomended it to me, and the fact that Happy isn't quoting anything of what he KNOWS would be woke I'm going to go out on a limb and say he couldn't find anything worst than that.

If he was quoting Tekumel, where if I recall correctly the vast majority of humans are some shade of brown and white ppl are really rare and looked as weak, and calling that wokeness it would be the same thing IMHO.

Human centric, it's not something the woke tend towards. So I would say that no, including weird "human" types is not by itself a show of wokeness.

Remember the wokescolds, when they play, usually play very special snowflake races: Tiefling, Dragonborn, etc.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 31, 2022, 01:34:35 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 31, 2022, 02:30:17 AM

Quote from: moonsweeper on January 31, 2022, 02:22:12 AM
It is from SotDL. 

I have no idea what point HD is trying to make but based on past history it will be some sort of passive-aggressive 'gotcha' that fits his personality type...

Yep, that's the game I got the description of "humans" from. I like the game quite a bit, and the setting is very humanocentric. However, the descriptions of their humans seem quite at odds with most of the artwork and the overall feel of the game line.

I'm curious to know who thinks this is some form of politically motivated inclusion vs those that just think it's basic weird fantasy dressings.

SotDL is a game, that was highly reccomended to me by several someones who hate the wokeness being pushed down our collective throats by means of destroying our entertainment, one of which is a self proclaimed socialist/"democratic" socialist.

So much so that I went and bought the pdf, add another game to my to read/play/run list.

Given who reccomended it to me, and the fact that Happy isn't quoting anything of what he KNOWS would be woke I'm going to go out on a limb and say he couldn't find anything worst than that.

If he was quoting Tekumel, where if I recall correctly the vast majority of humans are some shade of brown and white ppl are really rare and looked as weak, and calling that wokeness it would be the same thing IMHO.

Human centric, it's not something the woke tend towards. So I would say that no, including weird "human" types is not by itself a show of wokeness.

Remember the wokescolds, when they play, usually play very special snowflake races: Tiefling, Dragonborn, etc.

Hey, I really like SotDL too.

However, how is playing a 500-lb. character with orange-and-blue striped (or maybe even polka-dotted) skin not a very special snowflake race? Is simply calling it 'human" somehow enough that it stops being a very special snowflake race?

Again, I'll note that I haven't seen any SotDL artwork that depicts humans such as they are described in the paragraph I quoted. Most of the artwork is rather good at portraying a traditional dark fantasy setting where humans are still very much recognizable as being human.

Anyone know anything about Osprey Publishing's RPGs?

Hey, I really like SotDL too.

However, how is playing a 500-lb. character with orange-and-blue striped (or maybe even polka-dotted) skin not a very special snowflake race? Is simply calling it 'human" somehow enough that it stops being a very special snowflake race?

Again, I'll note that I haven't seen any SotDL artwork that depicts humans such as they are described in the paragraph I quoted. Most of the artwork is rather good at portraying a traditional dark fantasy setting where humans are still very much recognizable as being human.
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Yeah...Im agreeing with this...its kinda SJW Special Snowflake crap (Very Similar to "Changelings" in Shadowrun...which any time I played, anyone who played a "Changeling" was a special snowflake kinda person)...

It seems it was put in to appease that crowd, without going all in..."You can make your purple sparkly/pink striped/no body hair/ with long blue head hair human from the tribe of Coommiebracingfentanylfloyds...see how special your character is...

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 31, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Osprey Publishing's RPGs?

Osprey puts out RPGs? I only ever knew them for military history books, unless it's the wrong Osprey...

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on January 31, 2022, 08:55:10 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 31, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Osprey Publishing's RPGs?

Osprey puts out RPGs? I only ever knew them for military history books, unless it's the wrong Osprey...

I presume it's the same company, here's a link to the RPG stuff:

https://ospreypublishing.com/store/osprey-games/osprey-roleplaying

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 30, 2022, 11:23:59 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on January 30, 2022, 10:17:02 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 30, 2022, 01:30:11 PM
Just reread the "humans" entry for my favorite fantasy RPG. It says they can range from pale white to almost black in skin color, but also come in blue, pink, and orange. They range from 3 to 7 feet in height and can weigh up to 500 lbs.

So, are they going a bit far into the fantasy here, or is the technicolor freakshow treatment?

Blue may be a reference to "Papa Smurf", pink to fact that white skin is almost always actually pink, and orange to the Bad Orange Man. So it's possible that it's just a joke, perhaps even at the expense of the woke.

Here's a cut and paste:

"Humans comprise many different ethnic
groups. Skin tones can range from almost black to albino
white, or green, blue, orange, pink, or something else. Some
humans have patterned skin, stripes, thick body hair, or no
hair at all. Humans also have many different shapes and
sizes. They range from 3 to 7 feet tall and weigh from 50 to 500
pounds or more. Most humans live about seventy years."

So, in addition to the colors I mentioned, there are also green and "something else" along with patterned skins and stripes (which are a pattern...). So, are we to "freakshit" yet, or is this still just typical fantasy humans?

In World of the Last Sun, humans all just look human, but the majority race are not humans (who are in fact a tiny endangered minority), but rather Mutants. And mutants in world of the last sun can look like any of those colors and shapes and whatnot, as well as a few other even weirder qualities.

So presumably they're just saying "you can have mutated humans which have no stat bonus differences from humans but can look very different from the normal human range".

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on January 31, 2022, 08:55:10 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 31, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Osprey Publishing's RPGs?

Osprey puts out RPGs? I only ever knew them for military history books, unless it's the wrong Osprey...

They do both.

Quote from: Jamesbeadle on January 30, 2022, 09:48:10 PM
This one thread is the reason I joined this forum. Thank you.

Well welcome aboard. Enjoy the ride.

Quote from: Tasty_Wind on January 30, 2022, 09:41:24 PM
The funniest thing to come from this list was a discussion i heard on a podcast about it.
it's been a while, but went something like, "I think its dangerous. i had people contacting me on twitter after the list came out asking me "should we cancel this person" (referring to someone on the list).
I'd like to note that everyone on this podcast is a self-proclaimed leftist.
His concern was people on the list would unduly draw the ire of a cancel mob, yet never seems to acknowledge which side uses the mob as a weapon. It was a very "who built the cages, Joe?" moment.

Oh geez. That is funny. They don't want to admit they're the mob huh? Fascinating.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on January 31, 2022, 08:55:10 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 31, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Osprey Publishing's RPGs?

Osprey puts out RPGs? I only ever knew them for military history books, unless it's the wrong Osprey...

  I have Jackals, and it is good enough I would certainly play it, if it didnt involve teaching my gaming group another system (we hit our limits IMO at 4 different systems close to a year ago) I would have run a few sessions already.   I will play lots of games, but I do not care to run many.  I would run this one.

Osprey does table top wargames in both hard and softcover including sci-fi and fantasy and stuff for Warlord games, rpgs, books on clothes and military equipment in history, books on fantasy or legend topics like the hollow earth or werewolves, and boxed board games.

So...Does anyone have experience with these Osprey products beyond basic knowledge gleaned from looking at their website?

Quote from: horsesoldier on February 02, 2022, 11:30:09 AM
So...Does anyone have experience with these Osprey products beyond basic knowledge gleaned from looking at their website?

I'm very curious too.