Quote from: S'mon on December 22, 2021, 01:42:12 AM
Chaosium should be Red. Modiphius seems like a typical Yellow to me, from what I've seen. I've not read their Conan stuff.

Maybe we need something beyond red like an isometric pictogram of a toilet with "curdled donky fuck" written on the side of the bowl and there could be smoke and fire coming out of the bowl too... maybe the radioactive hazard symbol...

If Chaosium was so worried about "inclusivity" it would set CoC in the modern day rather than the 1920s. It seems that this company has become totally toxic (to use a term beloved by SJWs).

Quote from: Persimmon on December 22, 2021, 03:19:50 AM
Modiphius altered some of the Conan material to cater to "modern sensiblities."  They altered one of the books (the Africa-based one) so much that the original writer quit.  It's my understanding that they did the same with the Khitai (Asia) book, but I stopped paying attention at that point.  I do know from personal experience that one of their board moderators pushed back against some of the ridiculous wokeness going on there, defending me and re-posting something fairly innocuous and historical material I posted there which had been flagged and deleted by someone else, but that guy unfortunately passed away.

Thanks much for this.  It seems they are in the phase where they just do some silly things to avoid the hassle of dealing with SJW's but haven't gone off the deep end (yet).  So the yellow they are at is right where they belong.

QuoteThe original 7th Sea wasn't nearly the storygame horror that 2E is. I don't really care about two guys kissing in the art, but the game design is... well, honestly, it just isn't there.

Yeah, it was really weird. Not even Wick going into storygame culture, but how empty and vague it all is there.

QuoteModiphius altered some of the Conan material to cater to "modern sensiblities."  They altered one of the books (the Africa-based one) so much that the original writer quit. 

Interesting. I've heard the changes were mostly cosmetic like removing term "savage" and so for.
It seems I've seen beta from kickstarter circling around internet, maybe I should compare.

Quote from: S'mon on December 22, 2021, 01:42:12 AM
Chaosium should be Red. Modiphius seems like a typical Yellow to me, from what I've seen. I've not read their Conan stuff.

Modiphius should most definitely be  red after they let lose a a Political Commissar / sensitivity reader onto the Conan line.

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 21, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
I think a lot of people don't realize how devastating the wave upon wave of disease was. Yes, European settlers screwed over the natives just like the natives screwed over each other. However, without disease, the outcome would have been vastly different. It was like cheat mode for the Europeans and nobody at the time knew.

That's not the view of the Intersectional Marxists to them it was planned Germ Warfare from day one.

Nah that was relatively minor thing with like just one of their books.

They changed all mention of "oriental" and "exotic" in the Khitai books to some other jargon. I think it was "mysterious" or something like that. Weirdos.

Modiphius also hid Gareth Michael Skarka's work on Star Trek under a pen name while he was busily not working on Far West.  It's not woke, but it's still crap.

Quote from: Gagarth on December 22, 2021, 06:38:00 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 21, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
I think a lot of people don't realize how devastating the wave upon wave of disease was. Yes, European settlers screwed over the natives just like the natives screwed over each other. However, without disease, the outcome would have been vastly different. It was like cheat mode for the Europeans and nobody at the time knew.

That's not the view of the Intersectional Marxists to them it was planned Germ Warfare from day one.

LOL.

Not to mention that the Europeans were busy killing each other much of the time too, and allying with different tribes of natives to accomplish that no less!

But yeah, that's doesn't fit the narrative of deliberate oppression.

Quote from: Gagarth on December 21, 2021, 02:45:24 PM

QuoteA Message To nonNative American Players

QuoteIf you do not have heritage Indigenous to the Americas, we ask you not to incorporate any of your knowledge or ideas of real world Native Americans into the game

QuotePlease avoid the following:
• Assigning your Character the heritage of a real world tribe or First Nation.

Coyote & Crow Core rulebook -  LLC Coyote & Crow, LLC

I'm laughing especially hard at these two. I can't even figure out how the hell you're supposed to comply.

I can't incorporate any of my knowledge of real world Native Americans into the game? But the whole damn game is based on Native American cultures! So I have to maintain perpetual and complete ignorance of all of the cultural norms of the setting I'm playing in? Won't that result in even more offensive portrayals? Hell, won't that grind the game to a halt? Do I have to ask every single time if it's rude or proper to bow to the local chief, because I am not allowed to bring any of my previous knowledge to bear?

And I can't assign my character the heritage of a real world tribe or First Nation? How is that not even more offensive!? "What nation is my character part of? Oh, none of them. He's just, you know, a generic Indian." Good God.

It strangely steamrolls over the great diversity of the native North American peoples. Apparently a Mexican who has Mayan ancestors is allowed to play a character as, I dunno, a plains Indian stereotype, but a white dude who lives in Montana and knows a bit about Crow culture is told to ignore all his knowledge?

I had just heard about Coyote & Crow a couple of days ago and came here to find out if it had made it onto this list. Lo and behold! It has.

Not even considering that it stole its entire setting from Degenesis: Rebirth, thanks to this site, I will definitely NOT be spending any of my money on it due to its wokeness.

Are there any newer/upcoming RPGs that look like they are NOT submitting to SJW garbage?

I'd like to find some in different categories (Fantasy, Western, Sci-Fi, etc.)

QuoteIf you do not have heritage Indigenous to the Americas, we ask you not to incorporate any of your knowledge or ideas of real world Native Americans into the game

QuotePlease avoid the following:
• Assigning your Character the heritage of a real world tribe or First Nation.

Such things could only lead to bringing reality into their fictionalized version of Native American history and clearly that must be avoided.

I can only think that by not playing a member of a real life indigenous group, the chances are higher of making up a more offensive generic stereotype fantasy indigenous group.