Quote from: Wrath of God on October 28, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
Dear lord, this thread is going on for some time.
Is version on 1st post - actual stance of Ocule, or are there edited versions later?

It is the latest update he asked for on this thread, of a project still in progress. I hope he asks for another update of the first post soon.

Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Greetings!

"Blowback"? Blowback from whom? I've just seen the sobbing and Reeeing of retarded SJW's.

The list has been fantastic. Very useful for providing a handy guide to the companies that are normal; a list of companies that compromise in varying degrees at tolerating SJW bullshit, and a list of all the Reeing, sobbing, cock-sucking SJW companies that are largely concerned with corrupting gaming with Marxism and SJW bullshit--and to boot, are often disdainful, disparaging, and hateful towards normal, traditional gamers.

The lists accomplish all of this with simplicity and clarity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

No wait --- Paizo is BOTH "woke" and "#METOO" at the same time. They have workers & former workers calling them abusive BUT AT THE SAME TIME changing Pronouns and absorbing anthropomorphic meta-gender characters that break PF1e racial limits all to Hell.

This is better than the Millennium Falcon blasting into Lightspeed at the last best moment.

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good?

Yes.

It's harmful because the author/editor doesn't understand how the terrain can suddenly shift. A "Woke" company can turn "abusive" in no time. A great "indie" rpg can fall into disfavor if people associated with the rpg get cancelled.

It's happened.

This list can't possibly keep up with the speed of Meta (the site formerly known as Facebook). Twitter laughs at companies trying to keep up. "You harm me because you don't know me and you don't know me because you can't keep up with my transformation."

Is it a snake or a frog?

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

I almost bought Zweihander due to it being marketed as "Grim and Perilous" - but then found out the "Gender Neutral" manifesto and how they obviously spent more time making everything hyper politically correct than working out anything even halfway playable.  What a stupid joke.  I took a photo, made a joke tweet to warn others.  Then I got harassed with a Cancel attempt by their "Writers" whom I see as Adult Teletubbies but also vicious and possibly murderous.  Looking over their ....game... I imagined if the notorious "F.A.T.A.L" project had become more popular - and Dragon or some other Gaming magazine did a parody of it - as if it had been made by the hyper super Politically Correct...  That - one man's opinion - is Zweihander...  I didn't pick a fight - I almost bought their game since it was marketed to the TTRPG crowd but you had to read deep to discover the 'writers' only agenda was their treacly snowflake ideals - not making a game.  If I'd known (say their manifestos printed on the front cover) I'd have immediately put the book down.  End of story.  Not what I'd buy but I'd only wish them well.  It was almost buying it, noting it, getting harassed. (big epic fight - old One Angry Gamer site had it covered)  There were also an unusual number of security alerts of attempts to hack my personna and I still get 10x the spam (mostly "I have your web photos send me bitcoin") most get as if it was given after pathetic hacking attempts failed.  Any coincidence I'll say "One Man's Opinion" without direct proof of course.

Normally I don't want a "Blacklist" but they themselves in manifestos posted online constantly say if you don't agree with their hyper left Woke-ness you are NOT to buy, play, etc. their game.  How in the WORLD is it somehow worth it to Barnes and Noble to keep them on the shelves?  Well they are also devoting 1/3 of store space to a 'children's section - no adults unless parents with kids...   They call for a blacklist?  GIVE it to them.  Baby need his bottle.

Thus this list helps warn consumers sick of the "Woke" to NOT buy the WOKE stuff and waste money or get harassed/stalked by these...people...more concerned with agitprop than making a product.  Again the WOKE the Social Justice Warriors the Hipsters of HATE themselves have in so many manifestos made it clear they do NOT want you to play their game unless you agree with their politics 100%.  And, btw, I'm an old school liberal and 1st gen "Munchkin" gamer - an Xer really.  I'm 95% towards much of what (on the surface) the Woke/SJWs demand - an end to RL racism and sexism, for strong social and legal protocols against, and for maximum tolerance of free speech, press and personal behavior.  WHERE I differ is I am for Maximum free speech - including that I do not approve of.  And against things being banned because someone somewhere is "Offended".  Thus I might as well be HITLER to these people.

I think this list needs its own special website with additions/changes on a regular basis.  Also notes of (to use their own term) "Problematic" individuals - such as how Zweihander has hired Zoe Quinn for "Blackbirds" another "Look mommy its gwim and dawk - but not waysist or sexist!  BLM!"  We just make it clear the adherence (or defiance of) "Woke" agitprop/groupthink.

Furthermore - with most of the "Mainstream" companies now corporate owned shells that cuck and suck to panderers it's good for "Green" - you can be a small one room apartment self-publisher and get a GREEN rating by publishing on DriveThru and making DEAD CLEAR your work is NOT for the "Woke"...!  Could "Woke" sneak through and try to propagandize?  Not with gaming geeks looking at them and "False information/fraud" is grounds to get kicked out.  Furthermore if a "Woke" tried to do non-PC stuff to infiltrate their "Friends" would be sharpening knives and weighting skateboards to attack them - arguing they made  the "Captive princess wailing for rescue" a little TOO pretty...  If any former "Woke" jump over, great!  There's a phrase on church boards sometimes:  "Try Jesus.  If you don't like him the Devil WILL take you back!" - the "Hipsters of HATE" are NOT as kind and forgiving...

The only caution I'd argue for is to NOT let it get defined beyond there.  I don't want say only "Vox Day" to take over and so you have to be "Alt right" and the bias is only flipped.  Apologies to Mr Day, I have read a bunch of his books, from the SJW ones to some comics, like him (especially his techno music from way back) but I don't want to choose between one "Cult" to side with.  I'm a bit "Liberal" but think influenced by Hippie/Yippie parents.  Abbie Hoffman to Phil Ochs for some quick refs, I don't mean directly though my Mom did meet Gutherie and Burgess.  I consider the RAINBOW UNICORN SNOWFLAKES aka the "Woke" some sick INSULT on the real work and sacrifice of the Parent's generation (and many last century) to try to destroy it.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 29, 2021, 09:06:22 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

I came across this thread on TGDMB, got wondering, that's all.

http://www.tgdmb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57797

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 31, 2021, 11:34:39 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 29, 2021, 09:06:22 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

I came across this thread on TGDMB, got wondering, that's all.

http://www.tgdmb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57797

There is a poster in the thread who calls itself Libtard and another that assures us that it has dozens of LGBT friends.

Maybe there was some valid criticism on the second page?

Quote from: Shasarak on October 31, 2021, 04:09:33 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 31, 2021, 11:34:39 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 29, 2021, 09:06:22 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

I came across this thread on TGDMB, got wondering, that's all.

http://www.tgdmb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57797

There is a poster in the thread who calls itself Libtard and another that assures us that it has dozens of LGBT friends.

Maybe there was some valid criticism on the second page?

Greetings!

I think the person you are referencing my friend is named "Libertad". I think she's a uber-liberal SJW woman. I think I remember coming across posts by her over on EN-World before.

I clicked on the link, and lost about an hour or more of my life reading over there. "The Gaming Den". Geesus. What a fucking trainwreck of a website. Full of cock-sucking Liberal Marxists, Rainbow Hippos and degenerate freaks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on October 31, 2021, 04:58:52 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 31, 2021, 04:09:33 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 31, 2021, 11:34:39 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 29, 2021, 09:06:22 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

I came across this thread on TGDMB, got wondering, that's all.

http://www.tgdmb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57797

There is a poster in the thread who calls itself Libtard and another that assures us that it has dozens of LGBT friends.

Maybe there was some valid criticism on the second page?

Greetings!

I think the person you are referencing my friend is named "Libertad". I think she's a uber-liberal SJW woman. I think I remember coming across posts by her over on EN-World before.

I clicked on the link, and lost about an hour or more of my life reading over there. "The Gaming Den". Geesus. What a fucking trainwreck of a website. Full of cock-sucking Liberal Marxists, Rainbow Hippos and degenerate freaks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Says the guy that recently ran a game where he made rainbow hippos a racial option.

This maybe of some interest to those that follow this thread.

We Really Are In Oz - Woke Companies Are Here To Stay -
https://youtu.be/UMiwf-y5aas

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 31, 2021, 05:01:31 PM

Quote from: SHARK on October 31, 2021, 04:58:52 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 31, 2021, 04:09:33 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 31, 2021, 11:34:39 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 29, 2021, 09:06:22 PM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

Does anyone have any numbers to support the blowback claim?

I came across this thread on TGDMB, got wondering, that's all.

http://www.tgdmb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57797

There is a poster in the thread who calls itself Libtard and another that assures us that it has dozens of LGBT friends.

Maybe there was some valid criticism on the second page?

Greetings!

I think the person you are referencing my friend is named "Libertad". I think she's a uber-liberal SJW woman. I think I remember coming across posts by her over on EN-World before.

I clicked on the link, and lost about an hour or more of my life reading over there. "The Gaming Den". Geesus. What a fucking trainwreck of a website. Full of cock-sucking Liberal Marxists, Rainbow Hippos and degenerate freaks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Says the guy that recently ran a game where he made rainbow hippos a racial option.

Greetings!

Yes, that's right. There are magic-infused wastelands in my campaign that cause a variety of mutations--including mutating nearby populations of humanoids with having different traits and features--like vividly coloured skin.

Many of the bizarre-looking mutants are regularly subjected to varying degrees of discrimination and suspicion, especially from societies composed of normal looking, normal-coloured, non-mutant humans.

Then, there are some more distant regions that are entirely dominated by strange humanoid races that have various unusual colours--from Banana Yellow, Lemon Yellow, Lilac, Magenta, Turquoise, Jade Green, Lime Green, amongst others. There are various races of non-human humanoids, animal-humanoids, and some weird mixed race mongrel blends.

Rainbow-coloured Hippo humanoids are one such example of strange races that exist. However, most Hippo Humanoids in my campaign world are a normal Slate-Gray in colour. Most communities of Normal Hippo Humanoids tend to view Rainbow Coloured Hippo people with suspicion and disgust.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I read that as rainbow hippies for a second.