Quote from: amacris on October 25, 2021, 03:53:56 AM

You and I are in agreement wrt to trust. I did my final paper at HLS on evolutionary biological implications for human morality and my best friend has a PhD in game theory and did his doctoral dissertation on trust. (The rationalist community has nothing on him.) He's the one who pointed me to Axelrod's book. My own training is law, philosophy, and history.

Heh... my own PhD relied on the game theoretic insights on trust with the twist being the issue of monetary policy making and the credibility conditions of continued anti-inflation programs in Latin America.

Quote from: soundchaser on October 25, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
What is interesting about Grossman's article? You'll note that there was an anniversary competition, which replicate the Axelrod tournament. Thus, iterations exist.  In the recent competition, "recognition-master-slave" winds up beating the old standout of TFT. The research item of note was the colluding could be achieved with up to 20 people in the competition, with the result showing a top-placement coupled with a bunch of colluder who sacrificed themselves for the others who won.

Anybody with the guts to call their strategy "master-slave" in today's climate deserves to win, kudos to them. Seriously though, I will check out that article, thanks for the link. It seems like there are interesting sociological or political conclusions to be drawn from the fact that a master with sacrificial minions can beat an individual operating on tit-for-tat...

Quote from: soundchaserHeh... my own PhD relied on the game theoretic insights on trust with the twist being the issue of monetary policy making and the credibility conditions of continued anti-inflation programs in Latin America.

I don't suppose you are familiar with the work of Dr. Chriz Hazard, are you? That's the friend I mentioned in my earlier post. It sounds like you were researching adjacently. His thesis argued that time preference (discount factor) was a robust measure of trustworthiness. The drunk-at-the-con version is "God has an infinite time preference, and that's why He is completely trustworthy, maaannnnn." Here's the dissertation if interested...
https://www.hazardoussoftware.com//docs/christopher-hazard/cjhazard_dissertation.pdf

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Sorry Kasimir, I will now stop posting about this and we can resume finding villains to add to Red

Quote from: soundchaser on October 25, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
TFT success depends on subjective rate of return, manipulations of penalties and rewards, leadership (payoff changing actions), and a correct framing of the game

I've run TFT three times now.  The players enjoyed it.  It definitely has an old school feel and the modules I got through the kick-starter were well written.

Thanks for the citations, soundchaser.

DocJones, I find the subjective rate of return of your post to be positive.

It looks like Wizard Tower Games should be listed under "Green."

They just got attacked by some SJWs who demanded they disassociate with TSR and anything to do with them, especially with the TSR Con. In response, they went full "Don't Tread on Me" and said they refuse to be intimidated and cancelled.

I appreciate their stance against the cancel mob. Attached is the threatening email they got and their response.

These folks (so far) seem like a company that some might want to check out and support.

Quote from: Tullowit on October 27, 2021, 04:00:08 AM
It looks like Wizard Tower Games should be listed under "Green."

They just got attacked by some SJWs who demanded they disassociate with TSR and anything to do with them, especially with the TSR Con. In response, they went full "Don't Tread on Me" and said they refuse to be intimidated and cancelled.

I appreciate their stance against the cancel mob. Attached is the threatening email they got and their response.

These folks (so far) seem like a company that some might want to check out and support.

I'm all for it.  Let's check out the game and the particulars - also see if they do a Cyber-Detective operation.  A lot of "untraceable" emails aren't.  If one of the major "Woke" personalities can be connected to it and charges brought... (this is extortion, their letter)  Dare I dream a major name player is connected - such as the writers/creators of those "Gwim and Pewilous but gender natural and anti-oppression" that sit and gather dust in PILES in major bookstore chains somehow?  "One Man's Opinion" but who knows...

Quote from: Tullowit on October 27, 2021, 04:00:08 AM
It looks like Wizard Tower Games should be listed under "Green."

They just got attacked by some SJWs who demanded they disassociate with TSR and anything to do with them, especially with the TSR Con. In response, they went full "Don't Tread on Me" and said they refuse to be intimidated and cancelled.

I appreciate their stance against the cancel mob. Attached is the threatening email they got and their response.

These folks (so far) seem like a company that some might want to check out and support.

That is a straight up extortion attempt. I think the email writer knew it too, hence the anonymous email.

Who do they think they are? Jesse Jackson? (LOL.)

In any case, cool, guess I'll be checking out some of Wizard Tower's stuff then.

Hehe. Nice!!!

RPG Pundit put out a video about this email extortion about 5 hours ago on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/qaVfbfLJTgs

May the cancellers begone!!

Addendum: make sure you get the right company. There's another Wizard Tower Games that specializes in MtG stuff.

Which is nice and all but that's not exactly our jam here

Idiots trying to send night letters now. Pitiful. Like this is 1920s NYC in an Italian neighborhood? Really? This is the present and future of rpg as a hobby?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 28, 2021, 08:11:20 AM
Addendum: make sure you get the right company. There's another Wizard Tower Games that specializes in MtG stuff.

Which is nice and all but that's not exactly our jam here

Good to know. I found the wrong one and wasn't going to buy any MtG cards.

The Wizards Tower Games mentioned here is http://wizardtowergames.com/index.html

and they are also on facebook.

I am 99% sure that "extortion" email came from someone at nu-TSR. The Twitteratzis don't give warnings and they certainly don't "look out" for anyone not in their tribe. It's outrage marketing by nu-TSR trying to make themselves look like martyrs.

Quote from: kreegan on October 28, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
I am 99% sure that "extortion" email came from someone at nu-TSR. The Twitteratzis don't give warnings and they certainly don't "look out" for anyone not in their tribe. It's outrage marketing by nu-TSR trying to make themselves look like martyrs.

It's not a warning, it's a threat, and they have done similar things in comics, since doing it in the open puts you at risk of a tortius interference lawsuit they might have learned something from past experiences.

Of course it's possible you're 100% correct... But, do you have any evidence to back up your claim?

Occam's Razor is a thing, and the simplest answer in this case is horrible people (The Twitterratzis{stealing that}) doing horrible things because they lack a conscience and a moral compass.

Dear lord, this thread is going on for some time.
Is version on 1st post - actual stance of Ocule, or are there edited versions later?