Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 29, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
It's a fucking game, you're not changing the world (the real one) or doing anything heroic by publishing your virtue signaling fetishist shit.

It may not be. The sample text reads more like they just wanted a gurps-like set of rules and here you go. But their wording on the KS page comes across as giving mixed signals. This is one of those "could be fish, could be foul..." sort of things. Could even be both. They have good intentions but was tricked by the SJW cult into thinking their sort of wordage is ok.

And I still question how far they thought this through. The example rules mostly come at this from the "born with" angle. Which is very different from the "inflicted with" angle.

I will make a disabled Hobbit in a wheelchair called Colostomy Baggins. He will take the ring to the Ramps of Mordor and throw it in the fiery chasm from whence the abelist Sauron created it.

Quote from: SHARK on January 29, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
Greetings!

In my campaigns, the world is a harsh and brutal place. Disabled people are sent to live in isolation in special communes for disabled people and Lepers. 50% of the time, disabled people die an early, grim death. Those that survive eke out a blasted existence living in isolation and poverty.

I also have insane asylums where disabled people and crazies of all kinds are experimented on by elite doctors, and big-tittied nurses. Of course, such insane asylums are places of research and science! They do what they do for the "Good of Society". Lots of crazy surgeries, unusual drug therapies, and breeding experiments going on all the time.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Well, if it's for the Good Of Society (TM), then what sort of horrible, non-progressive person would want to stop it? 

Quote from: dkabq on January 16, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
This was pushed to me as an ad while I was watching Pundit's "OSR Magical Practices" video -- oh sweet irony.

Limitless Heroics: Better worlds via Dice & Disabilities 5e
Comprehensive game mechanics for including Characters with Disabilities, Mental Illness, and Neurodivergence in Fifth Edition

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wyrmworkspublishing/limitless-heroics-better-worlds-via-dice-and-disabilities-5e?ref=6u86me&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoY-PBhCNARIsABcz772adWRcgZ6ebpKNaB36OVoz3JdwNLHx7MPPKXeQW5PT2vwMQEwUtRIaAopqEALw_wcB

It's an interesting juxtaposition of this and the 5e chargin methods that create above-average PCs.

And not that I am against a player playing a PC with a disability or diminished capacity in some regard. That said, if a player so chooses, the difficulties of those disabilities will be imposed on their PC. While it would be possible to offset them by magical means, it would be at great cost. Not something that a 1st level PC is going to have access to.

As always, no wrongbadfun, but not my cuppa.

Well, let me look at this.....

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What if you could make the real world better by playing an RPG?!

/DOUBT

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All writers, editors, and artists hired for this book are disabled, neurodivergent, and/or have mental or chronic illness.

I have no doubt that mental illness played a large part in putting this together.

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Book Accessibility
--Dyslexia-friendly layout
--Fully screen reader accessible
--Indexed audio version included with every purchase

Ok, that's cool.

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And those with disabilities now have a way to represent their experience in-game to feel empowered and to help others see them more clearly.

I'm not truly disabled, but I'm near-sighted and I'm getting the early stages of arthritis.  If I sit down at a table and get told that my character has to have movement penalties the first few rounds of combat if we're attacked at night, and they have to wear glasses because I do, I'm gonna tell you to fuck the hell off.

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This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.

Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.

Once you push us over our goal, and we get this book into your hands, we will make it available through other distributors for a higher price, but the overwhelming success of this campaign will speak volumes to the world, and when you back it, you will forever get to say you were a part of it.

Imagining is what we do best, but we can use fantasy to change reality. Maybe RPGs have some real world magic after all. Back this project now, make it happen, and mark this day on your calendar and social media as the day you helped change the world.

Pledge Tiers....

A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.

Quote from: AtomicPope on February 19, 2022, 12:14:18 AM
I will make a disabled Hobbit in a wheelchair called Colostomy Baggins. He will take the ring to the Ramps of Mordor and throw it in the fiery chasm from whence the abelist Sauron created it.

Sauron's just a bodiless eye, and is thus the winner in the oppression paralymics. Therefore we must pressure the Fellowship to cancel Colostomy!

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 19, 2022, 07:25:00 AM

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This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.

Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.

A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.

This is where they pushed me from "huh. Looks sincere if inept." to "uh-huh. Yet another in the ongoing parade of "Lets sucker those dumb cripples" exploitation products. And most damning. Its yet another SJW product to keep us in our place. Cant have their pet cripples thinking they can play real people afterall. Back to your ghettos and act how they want us to act.

Quote from: Omega on January 18, 2022, 06:38:10 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.

Some here treat any sort of RPing the disabled as verboten unfortunately. And a few village idiots here push that disabled players should not be allowed to play disabled characters.

Citation needed.

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 19, 2022, 07:25:00 AM

Quote from: dkabq on January 16, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
This was pushed to me as an ad while I was watching Pundit's "OSR Magical Practices" video -- oh sweet irony.

Limitless Heroics: Better worlds via Dice & Disabilities 5e
Comprehensive game mechanics for including Characters with Disabilities, Mental Illness, and Neurodivergence in Fifth Edition

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wyrmworkspublishing/limitless-heroics-better-worlds-via-dice-and-disabilities-5e?ref=6u86me&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoY-PBhCNARIsABcz772adWRcgZ6ebpKNaB36OVoz3JdwNLHx7MPPKXeQW5PT2vwMQEwUtRIaAopqEALw_wcB

It's an interesting juxtaposition of this and the 5e chargin methods that create above-average PCs.

And not that I am against a player playing a PC with a disability or diminished capacity in some regard. That said, if a player so chooses, the difficulties of those disabilities will be imposed on their PC. While it would be possible to offset them by magical means, it would be at great cost. Not something that a 1st level PC is going to have access to.

As always, no wrongbadfun, but not my cuppa.

Well, let me look at this.....

Quote
What if you could make the real world better by playing an RPG?!

/DOUBT

Quote
All writers, editors, and artists hired for this book are disabled, neurodivergent, and/or have mental or chronic illness.

I have no doubt that mental illness played a large part in putting this together.

Quote
Book Accessibility
--Dyslexia-friendly layout
--Fully screen reader accessible
--Indexed audio version included with every purchase

Ok, that's cool.

Quote
And those with disabilities now have a way to represent their experience in-game to feel empowered and to help others see them more clearly.

I'm not truly disabled, but I'm near-sighted and I'm getting the early stages of arthritis.  If I sit down at a table and get told that my character has to have movement penalties the first few rounds of combat if we're attacked at night, and they have to wear glasses because I do, I'm gonna tell you to fuck the hell off.

Quote
This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.

Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.

Once you push us over our goal, and we get this book into your hands, we will make it available through other distributors for a higher price, but the overwhelming success of this campaign will speak volumes to the world, and when you back it, you will forever get to say you were a part of it.

Imagining is what we do best, but we can use fantasy to change reality. Maybe RPGs have some real world magic after all. Back this project now, make it happen, and mark this day on your calendar and social media as the day you helped change the world.

Pledge Tiers....

A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.

You forget they Loooooooooooooooove to self diagnose their neurodivergence & Mental Illness. Now a days it's cool among the SJW cult to claim to be in the spectrum among other things, and to cry when someone talks about finding a cure.

Even at my age and being highly functional I would still take the cure in a heartbeat. Now imagine the parents of children with crippling autism? Wouldn't you want something that could make your child normal?

This, along with everything the SJWs promote is just a virtue signal grift.

The only good things are the accesibility options.

BTW Dyslexia friendly layout? Dafuq is that? My sister IS dislexic and the other kind with numbers? So I'm genuinelly curious.

  Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism.  I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again.  The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it.   Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.   

    I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?

Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
  Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism.  I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again.  The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it.   Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.   

    I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?

They would cry genocide.

Really I have seen some idiots comparing suggested cures for disabilities to genocide.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 19, 2022, 05:53:11 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
  Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism.  I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again.  The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it.   Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.   

    I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?

They would cry genocide.

Really I have seen some idiots comparing suggested cures for disabilities to genocide.

The deaf are notorious about this.

  Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?

Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
  Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?

No.

My family has a long history of genetic mutations. More than a few causing deformities. Without regular treatments my niece will be a circus freak. My sisters nearly died twice from hers and one of my aunts never got to live at all.

One of my friends has as spent most of their life isolated and unable to eat or even touch most things due to debilitatingly broad, and in some cases lethal, allergic reactions.

Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.

Quote from: Omega on February 19, 2022, 07:37:57 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
  Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?

Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.

How I read oggmash's comment was that "termination of genes" is by the literal definition "genocide", not on whether it is right or wrong. I think the problem is that "genocide" is usually assumed to be about mass murder of people as in the Holocaust, but its literal meaning is open to other interpretations.

I would agree with you that some genes should or must be terminated if the offspring aren't viable, but it is tricky to draw the line. Also, the big question is how one should enforce eliminating those genes.

Quote from: jhkim on February 19, 2022, 09:22:59 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 19, 2022, 07:37:57 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
  Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?

Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.

How I read oggmash's comment was that "termination of genes" is by the literal definition "genocide", not on whether it is right or wrong. I think the problem is that "genocide" is usually assumed to be about mass murder of people as in the Holocaust, but its literal meaning is open to other interpretations.

I would agree with you that some genes should or must be terminated if the offspring aren't viable, but it is tricky to draw the line. Also, the big question is how one should enforce eliminating those genes.

By curing the mutation that causes them or by gene editing. No one has yet talked of anything else.

But not all birth disabilities ARE genetic, some are like autism, caused (according to the best science so far) by the exposure to higher levels of androgen in the womb. Which causes changes in the brain wiring, not sure how you could cure/prevent that, but if a cure was found tomorrow I would be asking when I can get it.