Quote from: LeSquideAnd reality is far odder than most designers give it credit for. Yesterday, a man shot an officer in the head with a shotgun from ten feet away. The officer responded by chasing the man a block, then stopping because he was tired. (The man was later caught hiding in bushes, and the officer is currently in surgery.)

I've had worse.  



Come back here you pansy!

Quote from: PremierRight, then start pointing them out, since so far you haven't been.

Pointing out which, my questions or your inadequacies? If the latter, I'd remind you that I basically said you were stupid and experienced in my last post. I'm afraid I don't know you well enough to list your flaws beyond the obvious ones I've encountered thus far...

Quote from: PremierWhat you've displayed so far, namely asking flippant questions about things I've already addressed in order to give the impression to casual readers that I didn't, or targeting me with an ad hominem in order to covertly slip in a fallacious appeal to your own implied authority, are sadly lacking in the above.

You need some new material. "I was trying to debate the issues but the bad man attacked me" has been done to death.

Moreover, you haven't been - debating the issues, that is. For example, "...you wouldn't have come across like someone who didn't read what he was replying to..." and "See, what is causing your delusions is the arrogant assumption that 'newer is always better', and that therefore if someone prefers the older version of something, he must be automatically wrong and it must be only nostalgia talking out of him. But seriously, I find it hard to believe that you're genuinely not capable of imagining that someone has compared old D&D and d20 with a non-nostalgic eye and simply found the older ones to be better? Is this a concept you honestly can't wrap your mind around?"

Yeah, you're definitely the martyr here...

Seanchai

Quote from: GunslingerRifts - Playing a glitterboy alongside a city rat is part of its charm.  

See I'd have to disagree with this one.  It's all in how smart you play the characters.

The glitterboy in my campaign was the first character to die.  The rogue scholar just fought off a demon in the last session by herself, with 2 legs paralyzed and one arm paralyzed.

Admittedly, if you play Rifts as nothing but straight up hack n' slash, the power levels are a much bigger issue.  But if you play it as a full RPG, then the big combat killers aren't nearly as overpowering as you'd expect.

My issue is with the dragon class - they are good at nearly everything and pretty much impossible to have any consequences except for death (since they can regenerate so fast, your choice as GM is limited to kill them or let them live - there's no equipment to destroy or permanent injuries that can be sustained).

Quote from: jgantsThe glitterboy in my campaign was the first character to die.  The rogue scholar just fought off a demon in the last session by herself, with 2 legs paralyzed and one arm paralyzed.

I've never played Rifts and never read a book, and quite frankly, never really felt the desire to but this description is strangely drawing me in that direction.

QuoteClassic Traveller Dying in character creation adds to the fun.

If you remove death from CT chargen, the entire thing falls apart.  That the paradigm used to balance chargen is not one that was commonly replicated does not make it inferior or any less fun.

It's telling to me that I've heard far more harping on that bit from people that haven't actually played it, than from actual players and fans of the game.

Quote from: J ArcaneIt's telling to me that I've heard far more harping on that bit from people that haven't actually played it, than from actual players and fans of the game.

I've been playing the game for 25 years now, and so far only those who've never played bring up the "death in character gen" meme as a problem with the game system. It's a strawman.

Quote from: jeff37923I've been playing the game for 25 years now, and so far only those who've never played bring up the "death in character gen" meme as a problem with the game system. It's a strawman.

I've played traveller. I'd love to dust the old box off and start playing again, actyually. Nice game. But really, death in character generation, its just a bad joke.

There, now you've come across someone who knows (and likes) traveller who sees death in character generation as a problem.

Quote from: SeanchaiPointing out which, my questions or your inadequacies? If the latter, I'd remind you that I basically said you were stupid and experienced in my last post. I'm afraid I don't know you well enough to list your flaws beyond the obvious ones I've encountered thus far...

Dude, calm down.

He's made some fair points, you can either try to have a flame war, answer him fairly, or just ignore him. Take your pick; I'd advise against the flame war option because you'll just end up looking like a dick.

Quote from: CabI've played traveller. I'd love to dust the old box off and start playing again, actyually. Nice game. But really, death in character generation, its just a bad joke.

There, now you've come across someone who knows (and likes) traveller who sees death in character generation as a problem.

All I can do in response is shake my fist in the air at you and say, "Curses, foiled again!"  

Quote from: jeff37923All I can do in response is shake my fist in the air at you and say, "Curses, foiled again!"  

And I can laugh maniacally and stroke my pointy beard :cool:

Unfortunately I don't have a pointy beard.

Such a great game, Traveller. One of those few old games I'd love to see more people get into. That and Dawn Patrol, they're the two that seem to have been forgotten by so many, yet they're such good ideas.

Quote from: CabSuch a great game, Traveller. One of those few old games I'd love to see more people get into.

Working on that...

I'll have a thread up on a wacky idea that I'm trying out on Friday.

Quote from: SeanchaiPointing out which, my questions or your inadequacies? If the latter, I'd remind you that I basically said you were stupid and experienced in my last post. I'm afraid I don't know you well enough to list your flaws beyond the obvious ones I've encountered thus far...

More ad hominem, still no actual data. On par.

QuoteMoreover, you haven't been - debating the issues, that is. For example, *snip*

Hey, I never claimed to be above a bit of flaming. However, I did already contribute some actual statements and claims to the debate somewhere back up there. Maybe not much, but still more than you did, which remains zero even after this last post of yours.


BTW, Any system: No, of course the GM is not 'against' the players.

Quote from: PremierMore ad hominem, still no actual data. On par.

Still whining about how mean folks are you? Check.

Quote from: PremierHey, I never claimed to be above a bit of flaming.

When you start, let us know. So far all I see are some milk-toast, half-assed swipes at posters who didn't immediately see your "wisdom."

Quote from: PremierHowever, I did already contribute some actual statements and claims to the debate somewhere back up there.

And then ignored the data/arguments which disproved your case (i.e., "early editions assume...that the DM is supposed to decide what to use and what to omit" versus Gygax explicitly stating that if you're not following all his rules, you're not playing D&D). Wonderful contributions, those arguments.

Quote from: PremierMaybe not much, but still more than you did, which remains zero even after this last post of yours.

Uh-huh...

Seanchai

Quote from: CabI'd advise against the flame war option because you'll just end up looking like a dick.

But I am an asshole.

Seanchai

Quote from: PremierMore ad hominem, still no actual data. On par.

Dude, word of advice.

It's Ignore List time.  This guy's a notorious troll.