Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2023, 06:57:12 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 07:29:16 AM
And so are the religious nuts.

Sure, okay.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 01:01:35 PMI would argue against that. Anyone remember the Moral Majority? Millions of people tuning in and tossing money at the 700 Club or the PTL Club? Listening to what they had to say and influencing American politics? I think the social justice stuff feels more dangerous because it's now and it's unresolved.

Okay, so? They're stupid. They also thought they were granting eternal salvation to people. While retarded, it's at least commendable from a pragmatic viewpoint. The only thing Marxists offer is to bask in the glory of the State before your body is ground up into soylent green. I am sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters, I loathe the woke retards who think they're winning brownie points on the internet by sending wrongthinking citizens to the gulags.

Eternal salvation while picking their pockets and using the dough to bang hookers and snort coke.
I am not sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters. They're the "useful idiots" for the right, and they can fuck right off a cliff.

Quote from: Ruprecht on March 03, 2023, 07:19:50 PM
Let's all remember the Satanic Panic was before the internet. A lot of well meaning folks saw Jim & Tammy hold up the Dungeon Masters Guide with the devil-like Efretti and had no real way to research that outside of going to the game shop themselves.

I don't think TSR pushed back because it increased sales even if it made some gamers miserable. Gary was a pretty religious guy, he could have gone onto the 700 Club or whatever show and discussed the game. He could have held up that DMs Guide and pointed out the adventurers are fighting against that devil-like Efretti. Then ask them why they are opposed to people fighting Satan? Mic drop.

To which the religious nuttery would have said "You are teaching them to cast spells, my god spells I say!".  A lot of people back then had problems differentiating between reality and fantasy.  It's continued on today as well.  Going to my pet store to see a furry cunt in ears and tail working the register is an example of said problems with reality happening today just on 11.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 11:29:28 PM
Eternal salvation while picking their pockets and using the dough to bang hookers and snort coke.
I am not sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters. They're the "useful idiots" for the right, and they can fuck right off a cliff.

Please show me on the Jesus plushie where your feels got crushed, sir.

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 11:29:28 PM

Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2023, 06:57:12 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 07:29:16 AM
And so are the religious nuts.

Sure, okay.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 01:01:35 PMI would argue against that. Anyone remember the Moral Majority? Millions of people tuning in and tossing money at the 700 Club or the PTL Club? Listening to what they had to say and influencing American politics? I think the social justice stuff feels more dangerous because it's now and it's unresolved.

Okay, so? They're stupid. They also thought they were granting eternal salvation to people. While retarded, it's at least commendable from a pragmatic viewpoint. The only thing Marxists offer is to bask in the glory of the State before your body is ground up into soylent green. I am sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters, I loathe the woke retards who think they're winning brownie points on the internet by sending wrongthinking citizens to the gulags.

Eternal salvation while picking their pockets and using the dough to bang hookers and snort coke.
I am not sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters. They're the "useful idiots" for the right, and they can fuck right off a cliff.

Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.  When it comes to allowing new ideas to come in, Christianity was one of the faiths that allowed it and gave you a fair amount of rights compared to other faiths.  Even today, the sense of basic morality is derived from Christianity.  We now have our first generation raised without Christianity and they believe all women (guilty until proven innocent), they believe a man can give birth (completely out of touch with reality) and that communists killing a 110M is a lie, and their youth pastor I mean their 5th grade history teacher Mr Groomer taught them the holy communion between his dick in their asshole turned them into trans women because Mr Groomer is the gender priests.  Mr Groomer also taught them original sin (being born a white male) and absolution by becoming an ally (racist piece of shit that discriminates against people and themselves based on race and whomever is higher than they are on the progressive stack altar of their fucked up God), and the States Gender Priests (groomer teachers) can pick your child's gender and sterilize them and put a wound that will never heal on your now castrated sons because they are in a fucking woke death cult.

You are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

There is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 04:12:03 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 11:29:28 PM

Quote from: Brad on March 03, 2023, 06:57:12 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 07:29:16 AM
And so are the religious nuts.

Sure, okay.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 01:01:35 PMI would argue against that. Anyone remember the Moral Majority? Millions of people tuning in and tossing money at the 700 Club or the PTL Club? Listening to what they had to say and influencing American politics? I think the social justice stuff feels more dangerous because it's now and it's unresolved.

Okay, so? They're stupid. They also thought they were granting eternal salvation to people. While retarded, it's at least commendable from a pragmatic viewpoint. The only thing Marxists offer is to bask in the glory of the State before your body is ground up into soylent green. I am sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters, I loathe the woke retards who think they're winning brownie points on the internet by sending wrongthinking citizens to the gulags.

Eternal salvation while picking their pockets and using the dough to bang hookers and snort coke.
I am not sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters. They're the "useful idiots" for the right, and they can fuck right off a cliff.

Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.  When it comes to allowing new ideas to come in, Christianity was one of the faiths that allowed it and gave you a fair amount of rights compared to other faiths.  Even today, the sense of basic morality is derived from Christianity.  We now have our first generation raised without Christianity and they believe all women (guilty until proven innocent), they believe a man can give birth (completely out of touch with reality) and that communists killing a 110M is a lie, and their youth pastor I mean their 5th grade history teacher Mr Groomer taught them the holy communion between his dick in their asshole turned them into trans women because Mr Groomer is the gender priests.  Mr Groomer also taught them original sin (being born a white male) and absolution by becoming an ally (racist piece of shit that discriminates against people and themselves based on race and whomever is higher than they are on the progressive stack altar of their fucked up God), and the States Gender Priests (groomer teachers) can pick your child's gender and sterilize them and put a wound that will never heal on your now castrated sons because they are in a fucking woke death cult.

You are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

There is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Greetings!

That was *righteous*, Honeydipperdavid. *Standing Ovation*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Brad on March 04, 2023, 03:22:55 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2023, 11:29:28 PM
Eternal salvation while picking their pockets and using the dough to bang hookers and snort coke.
I am not sympathetic to the religious people who got duped by shysters. They're the "useful idiots" for the right, and they can fuck right off a cliff.

Please show me on the Jesus plushie where your feels got crushed, sir.

Aw. Going for the personal attack now? 

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.

I do keep that in mind. But it's not an excuse for the execess of religious followers bad behavior.

QuoteYou are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

No. I am hoping that people come to their senses and reject woke ideology, like they rejected the Moral Majority and the Satanic Panic nonsense.
Whether those people find it through religion or reason or (most likely) a combination of the two.
Just remember the mind worm that turns people into authoritarian assholes knows no bounds. It can come from the left or the right, conservatives or liberals, religious or non-religious.

QuoteThere is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Would you happily live in an authoritarian Christian nation that sodomized children and abused people's rights in the name of faith?
Religion is not a shield that prevents bad behavior. People twist good things. Bad people will always be with us, and they will be among the religious as well as the non-religious.

I've developed a bit of sympathy for the religious and conservatives after the left have gone batshit crazy. But I'm not going to let that blind me to their faults.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 06:43:36 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.

I do keep that in mind. But it's not an excuse for the excess of religious followers bad behavior.  If you want to have a problem with pedophilia, then you look at professions that gives the pedophile long access to a child without access, like a groomer... I mean a teacher. daycare or a scoutmaster (that got them bankrupt).  A pastor has less than 2 hours a week access to a kid a groomer... er I mean teacher has 40 hours a week with kids.

QuoteYou are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

No. I am hoping that people come to their senses and reject woke ideology, like they rejected the Moral Majority and the Satanic Panic nonsense.
Whether those people find it through religion or reason or (most likely) a combination of the two.
Just remember the mind worm that turns people into authoritarian assholes knows no bounds. It can come from the left or the right, conservatives or liberals, religious or non-religious.

QuoteThere is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Would you happily live in an authoritarian Christian nation that sodomized children and abused people's rights in the name of faith?
Religion is not a shield that prevents bad behavior. People twist good things. Bad people will always be with us, and they will be among the religious as well as the non-religious.

I've developed a bit of sympathy for the religious and conservatives after the left have gone batshit crazy. But I'm not going to let that blind me to their faults.

Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

Next, take a look at Christian nations for the last century in the West, Gee Oh My, oh no the terror of living there: capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of association, private ownership.  If you want to blame Christianity for anything its being too lax and allowing the perverts to come to power because "turn the other cheek".  I get it, you are too ignorant to have any perspective on the problem.  You believe that through atheism everything will be saved, its your religion.  A portion of the population can live without religion (there's been genetic studies on religious prevalence) the vast majority 80%+ of the population want religion, whether it be organized religion, communism or now the new religion wokeism.  If you had to choose amongst which to live, and let me remind you, you ALWAYS will have to pick between the three, I'll take Organized religion any day of the week.

Christianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag and go to their young trans Sunday school.  The Christian faith is the most lax faith known to man, ask Europe how they let the whole land go willingly into the woke faith and they get on their hands and knees and ask their woke masters how they can serve them better.  If anything, I'd rather be living in the 1950's America with religion and at fault marriage than the bloody fucking hellscape we are marching towards today.  I'm firmly in the "woke faith" is going to start a bloody holy war in the US and a lot of us are going to have to fight the nutters just to keep our homes, jobs and families intact.  And if those woke fucks were raised with religion they'd be working and trying to get a family rather than reading Marx and trying to find ways to take other peoples money and lives away from them.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 06:43:36 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.

I do keep that in mind. But it's not an excuse for the execess of religious followers bad behavior.

QuoteYou are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

No. I am hoping that people come to their senses and reject woke ideology, like they rejected the Moral Majority and the Satanic Panic nonsense.
Whether those people find it through religion or reason or (most likely) a combination of the two.
Just remember the mind worm that turns people into authoritarian assholes knows no bounds. It can come from the left or the right, conservatives or liberals, religious or non-religious.

QuoteThere is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Would you happily live in an authoritarian Christian nation that sodomized children and abused people's rights in the name of faith?
Religion is not a shield that prevents bad behavior. People twist good things. Bad people will always be with us, and they will be among the religious as well as the non-religious.

I've developed a bit of sympathy for the religious and conservatives after the left have gone batshit crazy. But I'm not going to let that blind me to their faults.

Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

I'm well aware of the rates. That's no excuse.

QuoteNext, take a look at Christian nations for the last century in the West, Gee Oh My, oh no the terror of living there: capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of association, private ownership.  If you want to blame Christianity for anything its being too lax and allowing the perverts to come to power because "turn the other cheek".

Yep. If there's anything to take from this part of the discussion, it's that the religious and conservatives were ineffective at any kind of effort to understand and address the issues.

QuoteI get it, you are too ignorant to have any perspective on the problem.  You believe that through atheism everything will be saved, its your religion.  A portion of the population can live without religion (there's been genetic studies on religious prevalence) the vast majority 80%+ of the population want religion, whether it be organized religion, communism or now the new religion wokeism.  If you had to choose amongst which to live, and let me remind you, you ALWAYS will have to pick between the three, I'll take Organized religion any day of the week.

I see you don't get it at all. I never said that through atheism everything will be saved. I don't even believe that. So this is a dead-end argument.

QuoteChristianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag. 

Yep. Religion is next on their list of institutions to corrupt. And they'll succeed. Christianity will not be a safe place to retreat to.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 06:43:36 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Keep in mind the Christian faith allowed the enlightment to take place.

I do keep that in mind. But it's not an excuse for the execess of religious followers bad behavior.

QuoteYou are living in a post Christianity nation and its nice isn't it?  Oh no, its not and you are praying for a religious revival to stop this shit before we devolve into some form of a civil war or worse they win and put you in their gulags because you won't suck the female cock.  I'm not kidding here, that is where we are going in the nation.  And I'm atheist, but I can appreciate the benefits and protection that Christianity gave all of us.  Having a generation of Hitler youth being raised without faith means they will believe whatever they are told by the State happily as being morally right.

No. I am hoping that people come to their senses and reject woke ideology, like they rejected the Moral Majority and the Satanic Panic nonsense.
Whether those people find it through religion or reason or (most likely) a combination of the two.
Just remember the mind worm that turns people into authoritarian assholes knows no bounds. It can come from the left or the right, conservatives or liberals, religious or non-religious.

QuoteThere is a genetic predisposition to have faith, and those hippie fuck boomers believe they were above religion and raised this gender nazi generation are still religious they just worship an abhorrent non-theistist woke religion like the Nazi's worshipped Hitler and the Imp Japs worshipped the emperor.  You will never live in a time without religion, its either the traditional religions, cults or state worship (communists).  I'll live in a Christian controlled country any year, month, week or day happily.

Would you happily live in an authoritarian Christian nation that sodomized children and abused people's rights in the name of faith?
Religion is not a shield that prevents bad behavior. People twist good things. Bad people will always be with us, and they will be among the religious as well as the non-religious.

I've developed a bit of sympathy for the religious and conservatives after the left have gone batshit crazy. But I'm not going to let that blind me to their faults.

Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

I'm well aware of the rates. That's no excuse.

QuoteNext, take a look at Christian nations for the last century in the West, Gee Oh My, oh no the terror of living there: capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of association, private ownership.  If you want to blame Christianity for anything its being too lax and allowing the perverts to come to power because "turn the other cheek".

Yep. If there's anything to take from this part of the discussion, it's that the religious and conservatives were ineffective at any kind of effort to understand and address the issues.

QuoteI get it, you are too ignorant to have any perspective on the problem.  You believe that through atheism everything will be saved, its your religion.  A portion of the population can live without religion (there's been genetic studies on religious prevalence) the vast majority 80%+ of the population want religion, whether it be organized religion, communism or now the new religion wokeism.  If you had to choose amongst which to live, and let me remind you, you ALWAYS will have to pick between the three, I'll take Organized religion any day of the week.

I see you don't get it at all. I never said that through atheism everything will be saved. I don't even believe that. So this is a dead-end argument.

QuoteChristianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag. 

Yep. Religion is next on their list of institutions to corrupt. And they'll succeed. Christianity will not be a safe place to retreat to.

You aren't able to think enough to get the point in the first place.  The point being you are always going to be living under a religion, whether its organized or state religion, your choice.  You listed you don't like Christianity and you have preference for atheism.  Good luck, you will be a minority and people of your mindset tend to support state religion, ie communism.  The wok faith is marxism reworked to be based on race to take the down the US.  The failure isn't religion and its not conservatives, the failure is the wealthy who decided to use globalism to increase profits at the expesne of the Middle Class.  We are at the end of an 80 year cycle, where the wealthy gets consumed by the workers, it happens all the time whether in blood or economic transfer.  You can read Ray Dalio on it.  The wealthy elite are putting in race based communism to replace the current system to maintain their wealth.

You are always going to have to live under a system that is religion based, Europeans pretend they don't but they also import people with no education, no intention to ever learn the culture and integrate and the immigrants have an outright hatred of the locals, why do they do it?  State faith tells them to do things that go against their economic and personal safety and they do it to follow the faith.  Christianity doesn't.  "Turn the other cheek" is one hell of a problem, however Christianity was also used to protect the people from the atrocities of "the other", whether it be religion or state belief.  There was one hell of a religious revival in the 80's due to the fucked up 60s and 70s.  There are already religious revivals hitting colleges, people are getting fed the fuck up with woke fucks.  We have States passing laws stopping woke fucks from functioning in the US, essentially creating two separate US.  And the wealthy are fleeing with their capital to red states to create jobs because woke states their workers get murdered, their shops get broken into and the blue states tax them into oblivion.  This isn't just religion, its also economic, however religion helps to set the social values.  Social values set property rights and civil liberties.  You are better of with Christianity compared to all other religions from civil liberties and there is no comparison to the state worshippers (communists).

If you were lucky enough to be born in a nation founded on Christian beliefs you should be on your hands and knees kissing the ground, because a lot of people got born under the 2nd largest religion in the world or they got stuck under communist, and its a lot worse for them from basic civil liberties.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

I'm well aware of the rates. That's no excuse.

honeydipperdave -- that isn't what your quoted source says. The source claims "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests". First of all, that isn't specific to teachers. Most sexual abuse in schools is from other students. Of the fraction that is by teachers... note that there are around 50 thousand Catholic priests in the U.S., and nearly 4 million teachers. So there are roughly one hundred teachers to every priest. The source isn't saying that an individual teacher is far more likely than a priest to sexually abuse.

Sexual abuse in school - by students and by teachers - is a huge problem. But misrepresenting claims doesn't help that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
Christianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag.

Yep. Religion is next on their list of institutions to corrupt. And they'll succeed. Christianity will not be a safe place to retreat to.

I sort of agree in that religion will continue to be a part of culture shift. Still, I don't think it's new or that it's purely external influence. For me, Christianity is the source of what you're calling corruption. I grew up Presbyterian, and back around 1980, I first learned about homosexuality from when a gay couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism -- and the congregation pledged their support (as we always do with baptism). My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and they've always been progressive.

Quote from: jhkim on March 04, 2023, 07:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

I'm well aware of the rates. That's no excuse.

honeydipperdave -- that isn't what your quoted source says. The source claims "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests". First of all, that isn't specific to teachers. Most sexual abuse in schools is from other students. Of the fraction that is by teachers... note that there are around 50 thousand Catholic priests in the U.S., and nearly 4 million teachers. So there are roughly one hundred teachers to every priest. The source isn't saying that an individual teacher is far more likely than a priest to sexually abuse.

Sexual abuse in school - by students and by teachers - is a huge problem. But misrepresenting claims doesn't help that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
Christianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag.

Yep. Religion is next on their list of institutions to corrupt. And they'll succeed. Christianity will not be a safe place to retreat to.

I sort of agree in that religion will continue to be a part of culture shift. Still, I don't think it's new or that it's purely external influence. For me, Christianity is the source of what you're calling corruption. I grew up Presbyterian, and back around 1980, I first learned about homosexuality from when a gay couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism -- and the congregation pledged their support (as we always do with baptism). My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and they've always been progressive.

>Those figures suggest that "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests," contended Ms. Shakeshaft, who is a professor of educational administration at Hofstra, in Hempstead, N.Y.

So if you want to look at later studies, it went from 10% ot 9.6% of the students but its not apples to apples.

>The reanalysis found that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8-11 reported sexual harassment by teachers, coaches, or other school employees. That included misconduct involving physical contact as well as such behavior as sexual remarks, jokes, or gestures, with 8.7 percent of respondents reporting "noncontact" harassment and 6.7 percent reporting harassment involving physical contact.

The facts at hand is that teachers are the ones with an abuse problem, and are 100X's more likely to abuse a kid than a priest.  You can go down to it for access.  A predator is going to go where it has access to its prey.  The church at best, is 2 hours without a parent, maybe a Sunday school and then maybe some kind of youth program for an hour.  At school, the predators get 40 hours access to kids without parental authority.  If you were going to be a groomer where would you groom?  Where do we see the groomers today coming from?  Go to Libs of Tiktok if you want to see anequedotal abuse - its the teachers, almost always the teachers.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
Aw. Going for the personal attack now? 

You going to answer or continue to be a fucking idiot?

"They're just as bad!" Nope. If you think so you're a moron, 100%.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 08:12:02 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 04, 2023, 07:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Just so you know teachers are 100X's more likely to bugger your child than a priest.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/sexual-abuse-by-educators-is-scrutinized/2004/03#:~:text=Those%20figures%20suggest%20that%20%E2%80%9Cthe,at%20Hofstra%2C%20in%20Hempstead%2C%20N.Y.

I'm well aware of the rates. That's no excuse.

honeydipperdave -- that isn't what your quoted source says. The source claims "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests". First of all, that isn't specific to teachers. Most sexual abuse in schools is from other students. Of the fraction that is by teachers... note that there are around 50 thousand Catholic priests in the U.S., and nearly 4 million teachers. So there are roughly one hundred teachers to every priest. The source isn't saying that an individual teacher is far more likely than a priest to sexually abuse.

Sexual abuse in school - by students and by teachers - is a huge problem. But misrepresenting claims doesn't help that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 04, 2023, 07:18:05 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 04, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
Christianity gives you quite a bit of leeway, I mean my god you can be an axe murderer, ask for forgiveness at the hangmans noose and technically you go to heaven.  You can go to the parole board, show you've "accepted Jesus" and that can help get you paroled.  If you want to go to leniency, Christianity is one of the most lax religions currently around.  Again, "turn the other cheek".  Hell you can go to a United Methodist Church and have a tranny in full drag preaching to you or an Episcopalian church as they give you a full sermon on pronouns with full rainbow flag.

Yep. Religion is next on their list of institutions to corrupt. And they'll succeed. Christianity will not be a safe place to retreat to.

I sort of agree in that religion will continue to be a part of culture shift. Still, I don't think it's new or that it's purely external influence. For me, Christianity is the source of what you're calling corruption. I grew up Presbyterian, and back around 1980, I first learned about homosexuality from when a gay couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism -- and the congregation pledged their support (as we always do with baptism). My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and they've always been progressive.

>Those figures suggest that "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests," contended Ms. Shakeshaft, who is a professor of educational administration at Hofstra, in Hempstead, N.Y.

So if you want to look at later studies, it went from 10% ot 9.6% of the students but its not apples to apples.

>The reanalysis found that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8-11 reported sexual harassment by teachers, coaches, or other school employees. That included misconduct involving physical contact as well as such behavior as sexual remarks, jokes, or gestures, with 8.7 percent of respondents reporting "noncontact" harassment and 6.7 percent reporting harassment involving physical contact.

The facts at hand is that teachers are the ones with an abuse problem, and are 100X's more likely to abuse a kid than a priest.  That was the first claim if you want to limit it to the teachers, are teachers 67X's more likely to abuse kids than priests is that better?  It's not a priest problem, its a teacher problem.  Who has more control, the priests or the teachers union?  The teachers union can have a member decide to trans your kid, not tell you, and put your kid on puberty blockers then call you in for a meeting tell you the name the school decided for your kid and let you know they've been on puberty blockers and that the parent is the bitch and you better get with the program or they'll call CPS and take your kid away from you.  That shit happened in New England.  The school nurse lost her job for going public.  Teachers at this point are the boogey men, not the priests, its the difference is the Priest telling you speak very well for being a black man to the Teacher slashing your throat with a knife from a threat perpensity.

You can go down to it for access.  A predator is going to go where it has access to its prey.  The church at best, is 2 hours without a parent, maybe a Sunday school and then maybe some kind of youth program for an hour.  At school, the predators get 40 hours access to kids without parental authority.  If you were going to be a groomer where would you groom?  Where do we see the groomers today coming from?  Go to Libs of Tiktok if you want to see anequedotal abuse - its the teachers, almost always the teachers.
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