Quote from: RPGPundit;1011355What's the point? Are you denying this attitude exists? Are you going to pretend that this isn't something that a bunch of Grognard edgelords have been pushing in the OSR for years now?

I haven't really kept up on the blogs regularly for years, I'm just following a specific subset of people these days and they're certainly not saying "This way is THE way!" Was wondering if you were following someone who was saying that or were just twisting people saying "This is the best, my favorite, more of this woohoo!"

But, as expected, you didn't give a straight answer so who knows where your opinion comes from. Makes you look like you're completely full of shit.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1011368Maybe the unnamed guys who insist all OSR play should be gonzo are hanging out with your unnamed friends who insist all OSR play should be negadungeons. They both seem equally plausible.

Or equally nonexistent.

Quote from: JimLotFP;1011393I haven't really kept up on the blogs regularly for years, I'm just following a specific subset of people these days and they're certainly not saying "This way is THE way!" Was wondering if you were following someone who was saying that or were just twisting people saying "This is the best, my favorite, more of this woohoo!"

But, as expected, you didn't give a straight answer so who knows where your opinion comes from. Makes you look like you're completely full of shit.

That answer he gave you was straight out of a political hack playbook:  ignore the actual question, instead answer the question you wish you were asked, otherwise deflect by changing topics or going on the offensive and hope no one notices how you avoided answering a simple question.

Quote from: Dumarest;1011432That answer he gave you was straight out of a political hack playbook:  ignore the actual question, instead answer the question you wish you were asked, otherwise deflect by changing topics or going on the offensive and hope no one notices how you avoided answering a simple question.

And in keeping with with his love of the bullshit idea of that the message is the medium.

Quote from: JimLotFP;1011393I haven't really kept up on the blogs regularly for years, I'm just following a specific subset of people these days and they're certainly not saying "This way is THE way!" Was wondering if you were following someone who was saying that or were just twisting people saying "This is the best, my favorite, more of this woohoo!"

But, as expected, you didn't give a straight answer so who knows where your opinion comes from. Makes you look like you're completely full of shit.

To be fair Pundit isn't just inventing this attitude wholecloth.
 This blog post by Dungeondelver represents the view of a loud by small minority, restricted to their echo chamber forums more often than not, who view anyone trying to do something different, in particular LoftP, as 'game tourists' who are daring to put their sticky artfag fingers all over THEIR precious and pure D&D.

Now this type probably hates negadungeons, at least when they're not made by Gygax or their own clique.

And I think anyone who frequents forums is familiar with those strange types who pose and preen about how 'tough' they are when they play pretend elves. They emphasize and imo exaggerate the lethality of D&D to the exclusion of almost all else and certainly do imply that anyone who doesn't play that way is a pussy.

Come to think of it doesn't the Pundit run an ongoing DCC RPG campaign? The RPG only has character funnels and ludicrously deadly random table and dungeons.

Quote from: estar;1011481Come to think of it doesn't the Pundit run an ongoing DCC RPG campaign? The RPG only has character funnels and ludicrously deadly random table and dungeons.

Nobody expects DCC to not kill you though. It doesn't try to hide it.

Quote from: Voros;1011444To be fair Pundit isn't just inventing this attitude wholecloth.
 This blog post by Dungeondelver represents the view of a loud by small minority, restricted to their echo chamber forums more often than not, who view anyone trying to do something different, in particular LoftP, as 'game tourists' who are daring to put their sticky artfag fingers all over THEIR precious and pure D&D.

Now this type probably hates negadungeons, at least when they're not made by Gygax or their own clique.

And I think anyone who frequents forums is familiar with those strange types who pose and preen about how 'tough' they are when they play pretend elves. They emphasize and imo exaggerate the lethality of D&D to the exclusion of almost all else and certainly do imply that anyone who doesn't play that way is a pussy.

If I am following your post, you have found a blog post saying that all D&D should be x, therefore Pundit has a point in claiming that there are people saying that all D&D should be y.

Haha...I didn't say he was 100 percent correct. I've certainly never seen anyone claim funnels and negadungeons are the only way D&D is supposed to be played. But I have seen the strong suggestion that high lethality is the right 'Old School' way to play.

I dunno... sometimes people lobbying for a specific style of play get called out for claiming it's the 'one true way' when all they're trying to do it extol its virtues and let people know why they prefer it.

I myself much prefer deadlier games... not necessarily meaning I want more death in the game, but I want things (a pack of wild dogs, a huge swarm of rats, goblins) to remain a viable threat. I don't want my fantasy PC to become a superhero.
But I'd never say that (or any other style of D&D) was 'right'.
Yesterday I just picked up the 1Pot RPG, hoping it's got ideas that will support that sort of thing (and I'm lucky to have friends that share my tastes).

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1011493Nobody expects DCC to not kill you though. It doesn't try to hide it.

The lethality of DCC drops off fairly sharply once you're past first level. Some of the scarier random results, such as for magic, only come into play on rare occasions.
Outside of the DCC funnel I'd say our straight B/X games are just as lethal... at least in early levels.

Yeah, but the way the game is /marketed/ is all about the funnel. If you stopped at the marketing the game IS the funnel. It is what makes it special. That and the wacky rules and gonzo setting.

I agree about the marketing/hype, but I think there are plenty of other elements to DCC that set it apart, post-funnel.
Stuff like Mighty Deeds, variable magic, its Luck rules, magical Patrons, Clerics gaining/losing favor with their gods and seeking atonement.

Quote from: Voros;1011444To be fair Pundit isn't just inventing this attitude wholecloth.
 This blog post by Dungeondelver represents the view of a loud by small minority, restricted to their echo chamber forums more often than not, who view anyone trying to do something different, in particular LoftP, as 'game tourists' who are daring to put their sticky artfag fingers all over THEIR precious and pure D&D.

This post reminds me why I don't read delversdungeon:).
Amusingly, those people would be best served by playing Dark Heresy, or another 40k game where "Close your mind" is the right attitude:D!

QuoteAnd I think anyone who frequents forums is familiar with those strange types who pose and preen about how 'tough' they are when they play pretend elves. They emphasize and imo exaggerate the lethality of D&D to the exclusion of almost all else and certainly do imply that anyone who doesn't play that way is a pussy.

Nerds playing tough and acting like it's a mark of manhood or something is nothing new. But those types are best dealt with individually;).
If they prefer playing this way, though? Well, I don't see why a publisher shouldn't deliver them products that enable that:)!

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1011493Nobody expects DCC to not kill you though. It doesn't try to hide it.

I don't expect it. Never seen a character die that was past the 0-level "Larvae PC" stage;).
And so far, DCC is delivering what I expect.

Quote from: AsenRG;1011563If they prefer playing this way, though? Well, I don't see why a publisher shouldn't deliver them products that enable that:)!

I definitely see the appeal of a high lethality game, I just prefer CoC for PCs dying in blackly hilarious ways.

Quote from: Voros;1011790I definitely see the appeal of a high lethality game, I just prefer CoC for PCs dying in blackly hilarious ways.

I've still not lost a PC in CoC;). Last time I actually played a dilettante with no combat skills, it was the CoC7 Free RPG Day adventure.