Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Senior professors in tech and science always said all sorts of off the wall shit to people.  Every one I had possessed the personality of a brick and about the same level of social skills.  So coming across one or two that said something like that about women (who we know for fact MUCH prefer jobs and careers where they interact with people and not things) out loud is not a surprise at all.   Saying Academia discourages women to do anything when colleges are bursting at the seams with women though just sounds like bullshit to me. 

    I wish all cis-gendered hetero normative white men would immediately leave any WOTC product.    Not complain, not raise hell, just leave and never buy another thing.  Then mr "fellow white guy" would get the lesson he needs.

  I also agree men acting like meatheads or being oafs and carrying out "extremes" of male culture can be pretty annoying to lots of people.  Pushing to feminize more men and tone down those annoying things is going to have some pretty serious repercussions down the road though.   But males as children need a bit of a firm hand to be gentlemen capable of controlled violence rather than crybabies or rampaging oafs as they grow into adults.  We have lost a firm hand and openly celebrate having just one parent raise boys/men and always want to feminize them.  That is going to be a whole lot worse down the road than dudes acting like "bros".   

Quote from: Naburimannu on February 08, 2023, 03:42:37 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Maybe the obnoxious 'men of color' drive off the women? I'm not sure if we're allowed to ask that question, though.

Quote from: jhkim on February 07, 2023, 11:38:14 AM
As I see it, there is a division with 100% white male bosses -- then one of the bosses does an interview, and because of his phrasing in a two second bit, others conclude that white males are an oppressed class within the division.

I'd at least consider the possibility that Kyle is not telling the truth. That he is fine with his boss position and power, and he is going overboard in saying what he thinks the interviewer wants to hear. I don't know Kyle as a person, but I have very low trust in Hasbro/WotC in general.

I would consider that no only possible, but absolutely certain. The proof is that he hasn't resigned yet.

Pundits previous video was about WotC maybe going less woke, then this. Imagine if both are right and Kyle would rather blow things up than work for a company that was non-woke.

Quote from: jhkim on February 07, 2023, 10:08:50 PM
When it's discriminatory is if they're willing to make a cake for non-gay customers, but won't make the exact same cake design for gay customers.

Okay but why should this be illegal? No one has ever given me a good reason that it should be illegal to act like a dick. The GOVERNMENT isn't allowed to discriminate, but why can't individuals? There is no valid reason.

Quote from: Naburimannu on February 08, 2023, 03:42:37 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Women are subject oriented and Men are object oriented.  You can't force women to code when the majority of them would rather interact directly with human beings than a computer terminal all day.  Go to the Nordics where they have the highest level of freedom and people who think like you who push women to go into coding - guess what women choose the medical and legal professions over programming because they like working with human beings and men choose engineering because they like working with objects.  You can't change someones genetic predilection for what they find enjoyable.  Its why you are seeing a massive increase in the US in medical schools where women outnumber men.  Women in the past chose computer science because it was a new field and they were able to make inroads because the field wasn't blocked to them like many jobs were in the 1940's especially during war time when they could not be blocked for the war effort.  Today you see a low number of women in computer science related fields because to most women, but not all, its not an enjoyable field.  Interacting with a human being to most women is significantly more enjoyable.

Quote from: Naburimannu on February 08, 2023, 03:42:37 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence or, to put it another way, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence too, or in old timey internet slang: Pics or it didn't happen.

Loser Mindset: "Someone somewhere made a comment that expressed general truths and it made me feel uncomfortable. That's why I never pursued and achieved my goal."

Winner Mindset: "Fuck you Kyle Brink. I don't care if you or any of the other corporate CEOs at billion dollar corps hate White Men and want to see us ground into dust. I'm going to do my thing and kick your ass."

All the griping about systemic this and privilege that is just desperate cope of losers who never seriously tried to do what they claim their goal was.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 08, 2023, 10:14:14 AM

Quote from: Naburimannu on February 08, 2023, 03:42:37 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Women are subject oriented and Men are object oriented.  You can't force women to code when the majority of them would rather interact directly with human beings than a computer terminal all day.  Go to the Nordics where they have the highest level of freedom and people who think like you who push women to go into coding - guess what women choose the medical and legal professions over programming because they like working with human beings and men choose engineering because they like working with objects.  You can't change someones genetic predilection for what they find enjoyable.  Its why you are seeing a massive increase in the US in medical schools where women outnumber men.  Women in the past chose computer science because it was a new field and they were able to make inroads because the field wasn't blocked to them like many jobs were in the 1940's especially during war time when they could not be blocked for the war effort.  Today you see a low number of women in computer science related fields because to most women, but not all, its not an enjoyable field.  Interacting with a human being to most women is significantly more enjoyable.

My wife is the exception to the rule then. She's been a computer programmer for more than 30 years....and she can't stand most people. She doesn't female friends, because she can't stand their bullshit. The only real female friend is my best friend's wife, and she's basically a carbon copy of my wife, personality speaking.

Quote from: Brad on February 08, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Okay but why should this be illegal? No one has ever given me a good reason that it should be illegal to act like a dick. The GOVERNMENT isn't allowed to discriminate, but why can't individuals? There is no valid reason.

Under Federal law, unless you served food for consumption on the premises, you could tell anyone you didn't care to serve to piss off for any reason at all.
If you served food on the premises, you could still refuse to serve dirty hippies and queers, but not colored people or other ethnic people.
However many States came up with their own nutty laws that infringed on the rights of shopkeepers to discriminate.

Quote from: blackstone on February 08, 2023, 01:47:33 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 08, 2023, 10:14:14 AM

Quote from: Naburimannu on February 08, 2023, 03:42:37 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

For example, men way overrepresented in tech? Well men and women are interchangeable, so men must be keeping women out! All the money and effort you threw at getting women in to tech, and it's barely moved the needle?  Let's start artificially blocking men and only accepting women, even if the men have better scores or skills. For the sacred tenet of equity must be honored!

Eh, no, in the 21st century we still had, for example, senior professors of computer science who would tell young female students that *because they were women* they weren't well suited for a career in tech.

That's 15-20 years, not 50, and I have little reason to believe it's reversed since I left academia.

It's a tangent to this thread, but there's pretty good data showing that young 20-year-old guys can *completely unintentionally* drive young 20-year-old women out of the career, and that changing how we teach introductory computer science and even doing some sex-segregated classes can radically improve the young womens' success & mastery.

... I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of thing happens at our RPG tables: the dumb extremes of "male culture" can be pretty obnoxious. I believe I've lost players of colour over cultural issues; it's been years since I lost any female players, and not clear what drove them off then.

Women are subject oriented and Men are object oriented.  You can't force women to code when the majority of them would rather interact directly with human beings than a computer terminal all day.  Go to the Nordics where they have the highest level of freedom and people who think like you who push women to go into coding - guess what women choose the medical and legal professions over programming because they like working with human beings and men choose engineering because they like working with objects.  You can't change someones genetic predilection for what they find enjoyable.  Its why you are seeing a massive increase in the US in medical schools where women outnumber men.  Women in the past chose computer science because it was a new field and they were able to make inroads because the field wasn't blocked to them like many jobs were in the 1940's especially during war time when they could not be blocked for the war effort.  Today you see a low number of women in computer science related fields because to most women, but not all, its not an enjoyable field.  Interacting with a human being to most women is significantly more enjoyable.

My wife is the exception to the rule then. She's been a computer programmer for more than 30 years....and she can't stand most people. She doesn't female friends, because she can't stand their bullshit. The only real female friend is my best friend's wife, and she's basically a carbon copy of my wife, personality speaking.

Outlier
noun
-One that lives or is located outside or at the edge of a given area.
-One that exists outside or at an extreme of a category, pattern, or expectation; an extreme case or exception.
-A value far from most others in a set of data.

If only we knew which demographic actually bought their products and services .... oh wait, it's the very people they don't want around anymore.

Virtue signaling can only last until board members' pockets start hurting. D&D is getting close to a full shake up.  People typically virtue signal with other people's money.  I predict that the board will start demanding real business types at WotC's highest levels, not guys like in this video. The business types will then gut D&D and spread it thin for full profit.

Between this and the Bank of America report on Hasbro stumbling, I suspect the course correction is coming sooner rather than later.