Quote from: Anon Adderlan;878131Sadly the only thing that's really changed are the sides. People are just as intolerant of the same shit as they ever were, only now it's liberal gamers instead of conservative evangelicals. In fact, in many ways it's worse now because it's originating from the 'inside'.

True, true. It's like we... I'm not sure how to put that in correct words - move the field of our tolerance instead of expanding it. I mean, the more we accept, the more we prohibit. Who would've think 30 years ago that people are gonna fight over such trivial things as what some drunk guy says in his own bedroom...

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;878131This is how I ran Mage: The Ascension.

Hopefully the new system actually does something to invoke this mechanically.

WoD merged with KULT pretty well, and I've often hear about attempts to build unified setting. Certain individual named Paul Beakley managed to write quite coherent vision titled "Jail of Night", divided on sections, each connecting different part of WoD to KULT.

If you're not familiar with it, here's some version of it, but it's not the final product.

Quote from: Nexus;878110Don't worry about it. We're just poor dumb 'mhuricans trying to speak on things out simple minds just can't comphrend. So arrogant of us, to have different notions than our innate betters! :rolleyes:

No, Compadre. You're poor, dumb Mhurrican if you insist that everything should be reduced to your own neighborhood, even if it was clearly stated that it's not about it, and in spite of being presented with the proof for that. In fact, you're not even poor, dumb Mhurrican, but merely "dumb".

To his credit, even Pippi agreed that he missed that part, but didn't deny it.

So, I dunno. Perhaps take a few deep breaths, cool down a bit? They say that anger and beauty don't get along too well and you wouldn't want to become less beautiful creature, would you?. ;]

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;878131Sadly the only thing that's really changed are the sides. People are just as intolerant of the same shit as they ever were, only now it's liberal gamers instead of conservative evangelicals. In fact, in many ways it's worse now because it's originating from the 'inside'.

I'm pretty sure the conservative evangelicals are still plenty intolerant, but their numbers are dwindling.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878135To his credit, even Pippi agreed that he missed that part, but didn't deny it.

I think we were talking past each other because we both perceived the other to be over-generalizing... and I started off with the mistaken assumption that Jester was in the U.S.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;878131Source (as I kinda collect instances like this)?

I think it's about sourcebook titled "Legions of Darkness". It contained a truckload of "borrowings" (ahem, ahem) from many different sources.

For example:



Is obviously taken from...

Quote from: Simlasa;878140I'm pretty sure the conservative evangelicals are still plenty intolerant, but their numbers are dwindling.


I think we were talking past each other because we both perceived the other to be over-generalizing... and I started off with the mistaken assumption thar Jester was in the U.S.

For the record: I did enjoy that exchange of thoughts and hold absolutely no grudge or anything. ;]

Quote from: Simlasa;878140I'm pretty sure the conservative evangelicals are still plenty intolerant, but their numbers are dwindling.

I'll be really interested in seeing what changes come about in this new edition and what the reception is. So much has changed, particularly in pop culture. I mean, Supernatural, a popular tv show has ideas that are as "transgressive" as Kult. Then there's things like Preacher, Constantine, the new series Lucifer, etc.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878142For the record: I did enjoy that exchange of thoughts and hold absolutely no grudge or anything. ;]

Yes, it was fun.

Quote from: Nexus;878143I'll be really interested in seeing what changes come about in this new edition and what the reception is. So much has changed, particularly in pop culture. I mean, Supernatural, a popular tv show has ideas that are as "transgressive" as Kult.

Yeah, Supernatural has the whole 'God has left the building and the angels are monsters' thing going on. If they want to drum up an uproar they'd have to go deep Carcosa or else start in on the sacred cows of the SJW crowd.

Re: borrowed art - yeah, I think it was Legions of Darkness - one of the chapter headings in there.

Re: Hellraiser: I think the big point of connection there is that in both settings the extremes of experience can both open the door to new realities and reshape you into something you would not have previously recognised as human.

Quote from: Warthur;878373Re: borrowed art - yeah, I think it was Legions of Darkness - one of the chapter headings in there.

Re: Hellraiser: I think the big point of connection there is that in both settings the extremes of experience can both open the door to new realities and reshape you into something you would not have previously recognised as human.

Whole concept of Purgatories governed by Nepharites seem like direct steal from Hellraiser. ;]

As for the image, I got it!





And a little bonus. :hmm:





TBH, I've never perceived it in terms of "plagiarism". Not because it wasn't, but because back in those times we weren't flipping over intellectual property as much as we do nowadays. I think we didn't give that much shit about many things back there.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878395TBH, I've never perceived it in terms of "plagiarism". Not because it wasn't, but because back in those times we weren't flipping over intellectual property as much as we do nowadays. I think we didn't give that much shit about many things back there.

I think it's more because back then it was markedly less likely that anyone buying a product like Legions of Darkness - a supplement for a niche game line in a niche genre of games in a niche industry - would notice the connection and comment on it in a public forum.

I am actually looking forward to this release, despite my dislike for AW system. The reasons are simple. First of all, as noted before, the AW system is supposedly heavily modified, beyond the normal understanding of moves - it's used in such a way that you need to roll only once for a scene/situation to handle it.

The second hope of mine ties to this one actually. When I run mystery games, I like to feature strong horror. And nothing breaks the mood at the game table when I try to scare the players (which is, let's face it, a rather hard task in itself, so a GM needs every bit of help they can get) as dice rolling. It reminds us too much of the fourth wall, of the fact that we are ultimately just playing a game, distracting from action at hand. So if I have a system which can handle the whole combat situation with one roll (maybe even done by me, a referee, beforehand), I definitely want to give it a try for horror games.

Quote from: Warthur;878399I think it's more because back then it was markedly less likely that anyone buying a product like Legions of Darkness - a supplement for a niche game line in a niche genre of games in a niche industry - would notice the connection and comment on it in a public forum.

Good observation.

I admit to not being familiar with the PBtA system, so it remains to be seen how it'll work with Kult.

Not that the original system was a masterpiece of design. "Workmanlike" is the nicest thing I can say about it. But again, I never messed e.g. with the magic system.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878135It's like we... I'm not sure how to put that in correct words - move the field of our tolerance instead of expanding it. I mean, the more we accept, the more we prohibit.

Very eloquently put.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878135So, I dunno. Perhaps take a few deep breaths, cool down a bit?

Wait, there was genuine hostility and I missed it?

Damn my aspergers.

Quote from: Simlasa;878140I started off with the mistaken assumption that Jester was in the U.S.

What, you couldn't tell by his accent?

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878141It contained a truckload of "borrowings" (ahem, ahem) from many different sources.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;878395As for the image, I got it!

Thanks for taking the effort to do this.

Quote from: Nexus;878143I'll be really interested in seeing what changes come about in this new edition and what the reception is. So much has changed, particularly in pop culture.

Indeed, especially since so much of Kult is based on transgression.

Quote from: Nexus;878143I mean, Supernatural, a popular tv show has ideas that are as "transgressive" as Kult.

The problem is that Supernatural took these transgressive ideas and normalized them. In other words, it made the extraordinary ordinary as opposed to the other way around, and this just got worse as the show went on. Now Dean's flirting with God's sister, and I'm pretty sure Lucifer has a Facebook page.

Then again, nobody is watching it for the metaphysics.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;878432Very eloquently put.
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What, you couldn't tell by his accent?
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Wait, there was genuine hostility and I missed it?

Thanks. I assume it's obvious that I'm non-native English speaker (hooray for euphemisms) the moment I open my mouth, so it's at least partially my fault for not making it clear I'm from a dumbfucktown on the outskirts of the civilized world. Then again, no harm done, I hope. ;]