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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mortaine/threadbare-rpg-a-stitchpunk-tabletop-role-playing

What about this RPG interests you?

Nothing.  The person making the game wrote this:  http://archive.is/xTikJ  And this: http://archive.is/XwCJ5

I can support a creator having different beliefs than I.  I cannot support someone who whines and blames their personal failures on 'duh wite menz' and 'muh soggy knees' and uses insults against potential customers.

This game doesn't strike me as a 'game'.  It strikes me as a lazy campaign idea that needs tons more work.  Look, I'm not a numbers guy but when you say "Two six sided dice to resolve challenges" and "low combat" I'm pretty much assuming this is going to be about as much fun as a bobbit worm colonoscopy with gravel in your ass.  

I would rather play fucking Tummy Sticks.

Her game sounds like Puppetland (1995).

http://johntynes.com/revland2000/rl_puppetland_www.html

Quote from: Spinachcat;899954Her game sounds like Puppetland (1995).

http://johntynes.com/revland2000/rl_puppetland_www.html

And/or Toypocalypse (2011).

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/94301/Toypocalypse (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/94301/Toypocalypse)

And its campaign setting Toypocalypse Falls (2012).

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/108452/Toypocalypse-Falls (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/108452/Toypocalypse-Falls)

Hah! This is the first and only KS I've pledged to. She's a local girl and a friend of a friend. I doubt I'd ever play it though.

Interesting, but obviously not groundbreaking or anything, but of course, not many games are.  I won't have any use for it, but if someone I knew was doing a one-shot at a con or something, why not.

Tom Cruise is crazy as fuck, but I still like his movies.  I don't care what the author thinks when I look at their games.  If I thought that crazy Black Metal fuck Varg or whatever the hell his name is had anything interesting to say about Norse mythology in his game, I might take a look at it.

It's a PbtA game, practically a given that the author is an Identity Cultist, but what's more interesting to me is if this will be the first PbtA game without any OOC mechanics. :D

The author saw a movie, had an idea, made a game.  That's what the hobby needs more of.

What's PbtA mean?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;899966What's PbtA mean?

Powered by the Apocalypse, meaning it's an Apocalypse World hack.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;899945https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mortaine/threadbare-rpg-a-stitchpunk-tabletop-role-playing

What about this RPG interests you?

...pretty much only the options for reskinning it, to be honest. Playing toys sounds less interesting than playing a character who doesn't have a body. In fact, that's something I've done for years in Eclipse Phase:).

Quote from: CRKrueger;899959It's a PbtA game, practically a given that the author is an Identity Cultist, but what's more interesting to me is if this will be the first PbtA game without any OOC mechanics. :D

The author saw a movie, had an idea, made a game.  That's what the hobby needs more of.

I'm not sure it's a given. But more importantly, is there anything that makes you think this game aims to have no OOC mechanics, maybe in the video?

I agree that "have an idea, make a game" is a good thing for the hobby;).

No, nothing that would make me think that, but it would be interesting.

There is nothing about this Kickstarter that interests me. Not the stitchpunk theme, not the system used, and not knitting in general.

Now, if there was a Kickstarter rpg about broken beer bottles trying to put themselves back together, 'powered' by BRP, that included a 6-pack at the $20 pledge-level.... I'm listening.

Quote from: K Peterson;899996There is nothing about this Kickstarter that interests me. Not the stitchpunk theme, not the system used, and not knitting in general.

Now, if there was a Kickstarter rpg about broken beer bottles trying to put themselves back together, 'powered' by BRP, that included a 6-pack at the $20 pledge-level.... I'm listening.

Ooooh! "Beerpunk" is an unexplored genre that sounds cool!

It caught my attention for a bit, but 1) "Stitchpunk" isn't actually a thing and I find the attempt to create an entire genre silly, and b) much like steampunk it's not a genre as much as it is a visual aesthetic. Purely visual tropes don't work well in tabletop rpgs, IMHO.  I didn't see much in the way of game ideas that interested me.  Argyle & Crew at least actually requires you to make sock puppets.

Quote from: daniel_ream;900022"Stitchpunk" isn't actually a thing and I find the attempt to create an entire genre silly, and b) much like steampunk it's not a genre as much as it is a visual aesthetic.

I support her efforts to create Stitchpunk as a genre, but she's gotta do more to expand the stitchpunk concept into a game world. Puppetland did that really well. That setting is Dark Fable and echoes the horror of the Grimm Brothers. If she's going Stitchpunk, we need to feel what the "-punk" element is, other than a marketing term.

I'm not a steampunk fan, but the Space 1889 RPG has a following.

Quote from: CRKrueger;899959It's a PbtA game, practically a given that the author is an Identity Cultist,

My mind was wandering when I read you say "Identity Cultist" and wondered if their kewl power was "Hate Penis"
And then I realized "Hate Penis" would be an awesome name for a punk band and my brain kept envisioning Jimmy Fallon introducing them on the Tonight Show.

But this is what happens when I post after an all-nighter and using Baileys instead of milk in my cappuccino.

Quote from: CRKrueger;899959The author saw a movie, had an idea, made a game.  That's what the hobby needs more of.

Zbosolutely!

Quote from: Spinachcat;900041But this is what happens when I post after an all-nighter and using Baileys instead of milk in my cappuccino.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I did like 9. But this has a graphical feel different than 9, and it's not pulling me in.

Quote from: Simlasa;899957Hah! This is the first and only KS I've pledged to. She's a local girl and a friend of a friend. I doubt I'd ever play it though.

Does she run this at your FLGS game day or local club? If so, it might be fun to try the game with the creator.

Does your friend play/run the game? Any thoughts on it?

Quote from: Spinachcat;900070Does she run this at your FLGS game day or local club?

Oh, no, I've never met her... I just know she's from my town and we have a friend in common. You know, 'local girl makes good!'
The little bit I've talked to her online had me thinking she was nice and friendly. I got no 'hate penis' vibe.

The game sounds charming to me, with a bit of a dark side... like the idea of sewing on new parts from other characters. It sort of echoes an old 'shadowland' I made for The Whispering Vault.
Mostly I'm backing it just to be a booster for local gamers.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;900056I did like 9. But this has a graphical feel different than 9, and it's not pulling me in.

I first thought of Little BIG Planet when I saw Threadbare RPG. But that's as far as I got.

Quote from: CRKrueger;899976Powered by the Apocalypse, meaning it's an Apocalypse World hack.

Do you think https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/samjokopublishing/the-veil-cyberpunk-rpg will do a good job of PbtA? It has a day left to go.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900087Do you think https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/samjokopublishing/the-veil-cyberpunk-rpg will do a good job of PbtA? It has a day left to go.

It looks like it's chock full of OOC elements allowing players to engage with and represent Cyberpunk genre tropes when creating stories about their character, so yeah, looks like a successful implementation of PtbA mechanics and design goals.

Looks interesting.

Not exactly a new concept though.

There are a bunch of these now and more coming out soon both RPGs and board games. Sounds a bit like the old Fuzzy Heroes minis game and its Lost Toys supplement played darker. Or like how the d20 Gamma World mini setting "City of Forgotten Toys" played.

Quote from: Crüesader;899948Nothing.  The person making the game wrote this:  http://archive.is/xTikJ

That post is absurd. It makes me angry to watch someone run down the following list of problems:

- People have jobs! And kids!
- You have to be creative!
- Publishers will reject your work if it isn't good enough!
- You might lack confidence in yourself!
- You might not have $1000 to publish your own game!

And try to claim that these are problems uniquely experienced by women. (At least she graciously admits that even men may have problems finding people to play games with.)

Flames... Flames on the side of my face... Hot, burning flames...

Quote from: Justin Alexander;900123That post is absurd. It makes me angry to watch someone run down the following list of problems:

- People have jobs! And kids!
- You have to be creative!
- Publishers will reject your work if it isn't good enough!
- You might lack confidence in yourself!
- You might not have $1000 to publish your own game!

And try to claim that these are problems uniquely experienced by women. (At least she graciously admits that even men may have problems finding people to play games with.)

Flames... Flames on the side of my face... Hot, burning flames...

I know.  And I tried honestly to say, "Well, maybe her product is okay and she's just an idiot"... but 'rolling two six-sided dice to resolve conflict' sounds to me like it'd be extremely limited to what you can do.  Maybe I'm wrong and I can blame my ignorance on using either a few funky polyhedrons in an RPG or throwing enough six-siders to choke a hippo in the games I play... but I don't see how that's a very flexible and engaging system.  It strikes me like this game is a very.... narrative game?  Is that the word I'm looking for?  A game where there's very little to do but be pretendy-people and just talk out how things work, rather than put anything on the line.

Quote from: Crüesader;900134but 'rolling two six-sided dice to resolve conflict' sounds to me like it'd be extremely limited to what you can do.

No more limited than rolling a d20 to resolve conflicts?

Id assume (assuming the designer isnt clueless) that it must take advantage of the bell curve. Emergent uses 2s6 as well and gets alot of mileage out of it. Also a few games use a d6 as a weird percentile dice. Generating numbers 16-66 (with notable gaps of course) 36 possible results right there.

So it could be roll 2d6 and beat some target. Or even something like the new Metamorphosis Alpha where its 2d6 to get successes and add more dice based on skill for more chances at successes. System 26.

Going to be funny if Threadbare uses something like System 26.

Quote from: Omega;900137No more limited than rolling a d20 to resolve conflicts?

Id assume (assuming the designer isnt clueless) that it must take advantage of the bell curve. Emergent uses 2s6 as well and gets alot of mileage out of it. Also a few games use a d6 as a weird percentile dice. Generating numbers 16-66 (with notable gaps of course) 36 possible results right there.

So it could be roll 2d6 and beat some target. Or even something like the new Metamorphosis Alpha where its 2d6 to get successes and add more dice based on skill for more chances at successes. System 26.

Going to be funny if Threadbare uses something like System 26.

I'm not familiar with these systems you've mentioned (if you recommend them, by all means do so and tell me about them), but even I think the D20 system tends to have severe limitations.  And not everything is resolved with one D20, of course.  I originally thought the White Wolf D10 system would be disgustingly limited, but when you look at it- there's quite a bit you can do.

But overall, the entire game's concept- especially paired with the same dice criteria as Monopoly- it just seems a bit...

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It's an Apocalypse World hack, it uses 2d6 like every other Apocalypse World hack.
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I prefer 2D6 with floating target numbers and severity of successes and failures.

Anyway, this guy is promoting the RPG on his Facebook Group page thing. https://www.facebook.com/angus.abranson?fref=photo
Is he legit in the RPG field? An Industry Insider? He looks familiar, like I should know about some game he and his SO have written.

The setting doesn't really grab me, particularly since its 'novelty' is not so novel. It seems like generic grinding slog survival with a patchwork healing system, which apparently grafts personality conflicts? The other games that did it earlier posted in this same topic seem the same, if not more structured towards an actual setting opinion.

The system... It's *.World.

:p Did I ever tell you how you can run anything with FATE, Savage Worlds, or *.World? (edit: Oh, by the way, Jenga Dread. /mic drop) :p

(meaty dead horse paste for everyone.)

I'm just not interested in Sarah McLaughlin-ing my way through an RPG, 'Fumbling Towards Relevancy' as it were, where 3/4 of the results piles on Complications. I'm a big kid, you can tell me no. I may roll like shit consistently, but I don't need to be a Katamari Damacy snowball of convolutions constantly failing forward down the hill to the finish line.

So I'm meh on the setting (could be tighter), a big 'No.' on the system (paté, anyone?), but I do like knitting... Do we resolve challenges by who can best follow the pattern stitches? I mean, that's actually novel and challenging - we might even end up with a tea cozy by the end of the game!

After seeing how a 2d6 can be used in ASL, I don't think that it's limiting at all.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900163I prefer 2D6 with floating target numbers and severity of successes and failures.

Anyway, this guy is promoting the RPG on his Facebook Group page thing. https://www.facebook.com/angus.abranson?fref=photo
Is he legit in the RPG field? An Industry Insider? He looks familiar, like I should know about some game he and his SO have written.

Founded Cubicle 7, later left to form Chronicle City.  Definitely Legit.

I am not giving my dollar vote to somebody who posts SJW type stuff online. I don't wish to feed the beast.

It would be nice if that were not something I felt necessary to consider. In the Nineties, my early gaming days, few gamers seemed to feel the need to make everything unfun and politicized. People might argue about rules, preferred systems and editions, etc but I recall hardly any of this nonsense about identity politics, the latest " social justice" issues, and so on. Games were just games, played to have fun.

And I grew up in Portland, Oregon! Go course, it was not yet totally infested with hipsters.

Quote from: Crüesader;899948Nothing.  The person making the game wrote this:  http://archive.is/xTikJ  And this: http://archive.is/XwCJ5

I can support a creator having different beliefs than I.  I cannot support someone who whines and blames their personal failures on 'duh wite menz' and 'muh soggy knees' and uses insults against potential customers.

This game doesn't strike me as a 'game'.  It strikes me as a lazy campaign idea that needs tons more work.  Look, I'm not a numbers guy but when you say "Two six sided dice to resolve challenges" and "low combat" I'm pretty much assuming this is going to be about as much fun as a bobbit worm colonoscopy with gravel in your ass.  

I would rather play fucking Tummy Sticks.

Thank you for the links. What a fucking dipshit, whiney cunt and fuck her game.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;900209Thank you for the links. What a fucking dipshit, whiney cunt and fuck her game.

I read the posts in those links... I agree with some of it, far from all of it and what I do agree with I only agree with up to a thin point.
Still, I'm not going to revoke my support of the game... just on principle that I already enjoy movies and paintings and books by people with far more awful opinions and personal histories.
She doesn't seem nearly as toxic as some SJW types. She's just got some political ideas I disagree with, as do a lot of game writers I continue to buy stuff from. I wouldn't have bought Arrows of Indra or Dark Albion if I'd let Pundit's online nonsense get in the way.

I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

I like "success with complications" as a result, but on 2D6, 7-9 is a bad zone for that.

The designers at Better Games - last owners of Space Gamer magazine - had a "success with complications" aspect for their system used in Battleborn that worked very well. Instead of a flat zone, the more complicated the task, the more likely success would come out mixed with a complication.

Quote from: Simlasa;900212I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

Agreed. It's an unfortunate aspect of the online age where we know too much about the creators behind products, and it understandably colors many people's views of the product.

Quote from: Simlasa;900212I read the posts in those links... I agree with some of it, far from all of it and what I do agree with I only agree with up to a thin point.
Still, I'm not going to revoke my support of the game... just on principle that I already enjoy movies and paintings and books by people with far more awful opinions and personal histories.
She doesn't seem nearly as toxic as some SJW types. She's just got some political ideas I disagree with, as do a lot of game writers I continue to buy stuff from. I wouldn't have bought Arrows of Indra or Dark Albion if I'd let Pundit's online nonsense get in the way.

I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

For too long the tolerant have had a "live and let live attitude" which has allowed these safe space, gender-bending, micro-aggression-fearing, triggered-by-EVERYTHING morons to thrive. Like bitchy little thieves they've snuck in and stolen reason and open debate, and to the shame/horror of many, we've let them. They are attempting shit their indefensible rhetoric on everything and I am sick of it. They all-to-often can't compete in the arena of debate or an open market so they hide behind identity politics and censorship, crying "Patriarchy!" or "Racism!" when they can't defend their reasoning.

It's not supporting women, gays, blacks or whatever that bothers me. It's the immediate blaming of straight, white males, or any combination thereof, depending one what flavor of victimhood they need.

Can they have differing opinions? Yes, of course. However, the mentality of SJWs is one of "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech". No. They're arguments are counterproductive and it's the laziest way to win when you kick the other team off the field. Fuck 'em.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;900226Can they have differing opinions? Yes, of course. However, the mentality of SJWs is one of "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

I'm not clear where woman writing this game has said or implied anything of the sort.
I'm not very sympathetic to any of this SJW nonsense, I've shouted down the 'not at my table' thing when it cropped up in my Facebook groups. But I'm also cautious of any temptation toward painting them all with the worst behaviors of the most extreme... and/or going on witch hunts to find any suggestion of support for their intolerant notions.

Unlike a lot of SJWs I feel like I can buy a book, movie, song without the implication that I support anything and everything the person who made the thing might have said or done.

Quote from: Crüesader;900140I'm not familiar with these systems you've mentioned (if you recommend them, by all means do so and tell me about them), but even I think the D20 system tends to have severe limitations.  And not everything is resolved with one D20, of course.  I originally thought the White Wolf D10 system would be disgustingly limited, but when you look at it- there's quite a bit you can do.

But overall, the entire game's concept- especially paired with the same dice criteria as Monopoly- it just seems a bit...

1: I have a review up on the System 26 Metamorphosis Alpha with some explanation of the system in there. It essentially bases task resolution on a core of two six-siders, trying to get a success on at least one. Skills, powers and gear add more dice. Relatively straightforward. Though I still think some parts could have been better explained. The rulebook bounces around too much. Emergent uses 2d6 to get a range of answers. modifiers bump that up or down. The far ends of the curve are where the really unlikely results are parked. Seen a few games both board and RPG  that use the d6-percentile method. Usually for some esoteric tables.

2: Alot of games used the 2d6 for resolutions. It gives a good spread with the far ends not impossible to score. 3d6 makes the far ends alot more unlikely. Theres nothing simplistic about it.

Quote from: Simlasa;900232I'm not clear where woman writing this game has said or implied anything of the sort.

Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

Quote from: Crüesader;900275Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

Yeah, read that... twice now... still not seeing where she says anything I'd construe as "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

Quote from: Crüesader;900275Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

So as much as I hate to engage with a Hate Group, I broke down and read this.  And the problem with it is that the writer twists neutral topics and immediately assumes it's a barrier to a woman.  This is a siege mentality that's going to affect her writing, which makes me lose interest right there.

BTW, I hope everyone's noting Simlasa is being extremely cool about all this, and Simlasa's only "defense" of supporting the KS is that its a home town gamer doing a KS who is a friend of a friend. Not a ringing endorsement, just a "hey, this game may be cool, or not, but I'm supporting my local scene."

Quote from: Simlasa;900335Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

I could see tweens being a good market for a game about living dolls. If the artwork was more child friendly, I'd almost think the game could be aimed at a younger audience, but the missing eye baby doll definitely falls in the "creepy toy" genre.

Quote from: Spinachcat;900351If the artwork was more child friendly, I'd almost think the game could be aimed at a younger audience, but the missing eye baby doll definitely falls in the "creepy toy" genre.

When I mentioned it to my friends they both immediately said, "Like Toy Story!"... meaning the abused toys of the neighbor kid, that weird spiderbaby thing. Her daughter liked that the toys were busted and had to fix themselves.
Also, the author mentions that the Kickstarter art is from an earlier approach at the rules... that the new art will be less combat oriented.

Quote from: Spinachcat;900351BTW, I hope everyone's noting Simlasa is being extremely cool about all this, and Simlasa's only "defense" of supporting the KS is that its a home town gamer doing a KS who is a friend of a friend. Not a ringing endorsement, just a "hey, this game may be cool, or not, but I'm supporting my local scene."

Respectable approach.  I think Simlasa's approach is fine, and yes they are being cool.

It's just my own personal feelings on the matter- I don't support racists or sexists.  I also kind of believe that if you have to repeatedly remind folks that you're well-educated to make your point, that you're probably a stupid person and very aware of it.  After all, an education does not make a person intelligent... especially considering how many useless degrees that people like her usually wave about.

I don't care if my neighbor's a game developer.  If he blames his personal failures on black people and women, I won't only refuse to support him... I'll do my best to ensure everyone knows who their money supports.  

Informed consumers are the bane of bad businessfolk.

I feel the same way that Simlasa does.

I've supported Kickstarters by people who I often disagree with (in terms of their choice of rhetoric online, anyway) because I'd rather that they spend time writing games instead of contributing to the poisonous atmosphere of social media these days. I wouldn't have bought and praised Dark Albion or a Red and Pleasant Land if I did boycott people on their opinions and online manners.

I like what some of the more "SJW" types write, even though my eyes get sore from rolling them at their exaggerated efforts to appear progressive. Example: in the latest PbtA game that I backed, there isn't a single illustration of a white male in the book (and there are a LOT of characters depicted in there). It's all very creative, mind you, but super, glaringly obvious.

Well there is ONE white guy, but he's a bearded man wearing a crystal dress with high heels (a Trans character, I assumed). His skin tone is extremely pale in comparison to the other people in the book, and it came across as a very obvious commentary ("there IS a white guy in here folks... But he ain't cis-gendered! See what we did there?"). A great game, otherwise.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not offended by this decision to omit whit males from the art or anything, I just think that it's humorous.

Quote from: Simlasa;900335Yeah, read that... twice now... still not seeing where she says anything I'd construe as "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

It's the entire victim mentality and I'm willing to bet that if one were to challenge her views on it, she and many others would shout it down. SJW talking points are like a cockroach infestation; you have to destroy each and every one with no quarter.

I will admit to being close-minded concerning the game. My issue had to do with her
her posts. After some chill time I can see how the premise would be appealing. I'm just so raw from the utter insanity of SJWs.

I can't, with good conscience, fund a Marxists. I won't buy from Evil Hat Productions or from The Design Mechanism. Or from Bethesda anymore.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900360[...] or from The Design Mechanism.

Whoa, hello there.  I backed the RQ6 Collector's Edition.  Can you elaborate?  I've never known Pete or Loz to be SJW-y.

Quote from: daniel_ream;900378Whoa, hello there.  I backed the RQ6 Collector's Edition.  Can you elaborate?  I've never known Pete or Loz to be SJW-y.

I didn't say they were SJW. And I don't care what you backed. If someone has nothing but contempt for America (or western civilization), they don't get my money. Add Varg Vikernes to that list.

Settle down, hoss.  I'm asking you to explain your motivation for not patronizing TDM.  My experience has been that Loz and Pete are largely apolitical, but if yours differs I'd like to hear about it.  You know, like a discussion and shit.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900360I can't, with good conscience, fund a Marxists. I won't buy from Evil Hat Productions or from The Design Mechanism. Or from Bethesda anymore.

How do you get from EHP/TDM/Bethesda to Marxists to Hate America.

I've not seen any evidence that those companies espouse Marxist beliefs or that they hate America.

Quote from: Crüesader;900356Informed consumers are the bane of bad businessfolk.

Youd like to think so. But the sad truth is that informed customers will support bad businessfolk. All so they  can get their precious game or art. Games Workshop cultists being the prime example on the game side. Seen so much worse though.

Back on topic.

If the designers views disagree with someone such that it makes them uncomfortable in handing them money then thats that. Same as I refuse to support publishers or designers I know have stolen games from others. Or that I refuse to deal with artists who rob customers. And I know a few who have been pulling that for over a decade now. I dont care how good they are or how much Id love to have some pieces done. No. Fuck no.

As for the game. The more the designers agendas creep into the game. The less interested I get. so far though it seems not to be the case? Unless I missed something?
That and toning down the creepy elements seems to be counter to the whole "stitchpunk" theme they were touting in the first place. At which point its creeping towards being a rip-off of Puppetland.

I'm a Warhammer fan, and I know well of the GW cult.  It's a hard call. I absolutely love the Warhammer-verse (both fantasy and 40k), but wow does that company crap on its customers! And they've been shitting on us for decades! I guess that's a big reason I buy most of my stuff off eBay, except for novels.

This thread makes me miss the Pre-Internet years.

I had NO IDEA about who made any games I was buying (except those I met at cons). Whether we enjoyed a game was 100% about the game, because of our ignorance about the authors.

These days? It's getting too fucking convoluted. We're at a stage where if somebody posts "I really enjoyed Game ABC", then its' "You hate [gays or freedom]! Because only a [gay or freedom] hater would buy that book because one of the 12 freelancers retweeted a [Caitlynn joke or Che poster] in 2014!!!"

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;899945What about this RPG interests you?

Nothing.  I am so not the target audience.

Quote from: Spinachcat;900436We're at a stage where if somebody posts "I really enjoyed Game ABC", then its' "You hate [gays or freedom]! Because only a [gay or freedom] hater would buy that book because one of the 12 freelancers retweeted a [Caitlynn joke or Che poster] in 2014!!!"

Purity tests! "It has come to our attention that you called your sister a 'retard' in 4th grade, you will be moved immediately to an assigned work camp."

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900360I can't, with good conscience, fund a Marxists. I won't buy from Evil Hat Productions or from The Design Mechanism. Or from Bethesda anymore.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900380I didn't say they were SJW. And I don't care what you backed. If someone has nothing but contempt for America (or western civilization), they don't get my money. Add Varg Vikernes to that list.

What the hell did Loz and Pete ever do to get hit with the American-Hating Marxist tag?  Live in other country?

Loz is Canadian, and hating the US is kind of the national pastime up here.

Quote from: daniel_ream;900472Loz is Canadian, and hating the US is kind of the national pastime up here.

Which makes me laugh when the population of my town triples with blue-haired snowbirds, many of them from U.S. Lite.

Quote from: CRKrueger;900464What the hell did Loz and Pete ever do to get hit with the American-Hating Marxist tag?  Live in other country?

Yes.

Quote from: CRKrueger;900464What the hell did Loz and Pete ever do to get hit with the American-Hating Marxist tag?  Live in other country?

They had a video, around the time of their RQ6 announcement, which they have since taken down. It showed their true colors. I would have pre-ordered the game if I never saw the video.

Quote from: Simlasa;900445Purity tests! "It has come to our attention that you called your sister a 'retard' in 4th grade, you will be moved immediately to an assigned work camp."

Ha!

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;900485Which makes me laugh when the population of my town triples with blue-haired snowbirds, many of them from U.S. Lite.

Try not to take it too seriously.  It's the result of a massive nationwide inferiority complex.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900506They had a video, around the time of their RQ6 announcement, which they have since taken down. It showed their true colors. I would have pre-ordered the game if I never saw the video.

...but you're not going to tell us what was in the video, or link to a copy or anything.  Jesus, dude.  I know this place tends to dogpile you for no reason, but you're not giving the rest of us any reason to lend credence to anything you say.

Quote from: daniel_ream;900526...but you're not going to tell us what was in the video, or link to a copy or anything.  Jesus, dude.  I know this place tends to dogpile you for no reason, but you're not giving the rest of us any reason to lend credence to anything you say.

Why do you care if I'm dogpiled on? You can't decide to join them or not? Like you're somebody I even know. If I'm arguing with you, maybe you're a Marxist, too. Most (all) Marxists think they are the good guys, afterall.

Their video straight out said they didn't want to sell their new game to people like me, and didn't want us as customers. So they're anti-American. And very proud of that fact in their video. Fine. They lost my sale.

I'll be getting the newly re-printed 2nd Edition of RuneQuest. I'm glad that the license with The Design Mechanism has expired. It wasn't soon enough though.

Anyway, I don't have to explain this shit to you. Heaven forbid I made a list of maybe three companies I won't buy products from. And chucklehead geek over here is now worried about a game he has.

Quote from: Xanther;900437Nothing.  I am so not the target audience.

Pretty much this.  Playing a creepy broken toy, or even a noncreepy broken toy, just doesn't interest me no matter who wrote it.  Maybe as a one shot piss take at a convention or something.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900534Their video straight out said they didn't want to sell their new game to people like me, and didn't want us as customers. So they're anti-American. And very proud of that fact in their video. Fine. They lost my sale.

"People like you"?
"Us"?
Pretty sure they didn't say "If you're a capitalist american you can go fuck yourself we don't want your money", so what are you contending they actually said?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;900535Playing a creepy broken toy, or even a noncreepy broken toy, just doesn't interest me no matter who wrote it.  Maybe as a one shot piss take at a convention or something.

Same here. Zero interest.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;900535Pretty much this.  Playing a creepy broken toy, or even a noncreepy broken toy, just doesn't interest me no matter who wrote it.  Maybe as a one shot piss take at a convention or something.

That's a valid reaction of course. I can see how the appeal is limited.
I've always liked dolls and toys and gaming miniatures. They end up, in some fashion, in a lot of the games I run.
Years ago I ran a non-Mythos Call of Cthulhu session where the PCs were dollhouse dolls in a haunted house... kind of playing off the M.R. James story. I thought Puppetland was pretty interesting as well, but have yet to play it.
 
That might be another reason this KS stood out to me.

Quote from: Simlasa;900557I've always liked dolls and toys and gaming miniatures. They end up, in some fashion, in a lot of the games I run.
That might be another reason this KS stood out to me.

Well there was this...
From WizKids no less.

Quote from: Simlasa;900557I've always liked dolls and toys and gaming miniatures. They end up, in some fashion, in a lot of the games I run.

Well there was this...
(http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_shadowrun_1.jpg)
From WizKids no less.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;900535Pretty much this.  Playing a creepy broken toy, or even a noncreepy broken toy, just doesn't interest me no matter who wrote it.  Maybe as a one shot piss take at a convention or something.

Bemusingly it was Gygax who introduced me to VLC and the whole Fuzzy Heroes line. Plushes vs army men or toys. (Great way to introduce kids to wargaming.)

And Ravenloft had those killer toy golems.

And oh hey. The bulette, rust monster and owlbear started out as plastic toy monsters. (Though not in game.) Tony DiTerlizzi even has a little article on his site about them.

But yeah. They make for interesting con games. Allways fun to discover someones running Clay-o-Rama at a convention. Anyone remember those big Lego sea battles at GenCon?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;900534Their video straight out said they didn't want to sell their new game to people like me, and didn't want us as customers. So they're anti-American. And very proud of that fact in their video. Fine. They lost my sale.

What did the video say?

Calling out potential customers and thrashing them is really odd behavior.

Quote from: Simlasa;900557I thought Puppetland was pretty interesting as well, but have yet to play it.

Highly recommended. If you play it as described, its very cool and creepy. Especially the idea of tying your actions into your dialogue. I've played it a few times, but only one shots. What's cool was the 1 hour "day" in the setting so at a 4 hour con game, we did 4 "days" worth of events with the strange "fall asleep / reset" that occurs.

With the right group of players, Puppetland is really fun. It's twisted, grim, creepy, and far more "horror" than "kid's game"