I am not giving my dollar vote to somebody who posts SJW type stuff online. I don't wish to feed the beast.

It would be nice if that were not something I felt necessary to consider. In the Nineties, my early gaming days, few gamers seemed to feel the need to make everything unfun and politicized. People might argue about rules, preferred systems and editions, etc but I recall hardly any of this nonsense about identity politics, the latest " social justice" issues, and so on. Games were just games, played to have fun.

And I grew up in Portland, Oregon! Go course, it was not yet totally infested with hipsters.

Quote from: Crüesader;899948Nothing.  The person making the game wrote this:  http://archive.is/xTikJ  And this: http://archive.is/XwCJ5

I can support a creator having different beliefs than I.  I cannot support someone who whines and blames their personal failures on 'duh wite menz' and 'muh soggy knees' and uses insults against potential customers.

This game doesn't strike me as a 'game'.  It strikes me as a lazy campaign idea that needs tons more work.  Look, I'm not a numbers guy but when you say "Two six sided dice to resolve challenges" and "low combat" I'm pretty much assuming this is going to be about as much fun as a bobbit worm colonoscopy with gravel in your ass.  

I would rather play fucking Tummy Sticks.

Thank you for the links. What a fucking dipshit, whiney cunt and fuck her game.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;900209Thank you for the links. What a fucking dipshit, whiney cunt and fuck her game.

I read the posts in those links... I agree with some of it, far from all of it and what I do agree with I only agree with up to a thin point.
Still, I'm not going to revoke my support of the game... just on principle that I already enjoy movies and paintings and books by people with far more awful opinions and personal histories.
She doesn't seem nearly as toxic as some SJW types. She's just got some political ideas I disagree with, as do a lot of game writers I continue to buy stuff from. I wouldn't have bought Arrows of Indra or Dark Albion if I'd let Pundit's online nonsense get in the way.

I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

I like "success with complications" as a result, but on 2D6, 7-9 is a bad zone for that.

The designers at Better Games - last owners of Space Gamer magazine - had a "success with complications" aspect for their system used in Battleborn that worked very well. Instead of a flat zone, the more complicated the task, the more likely success would come out mixed with a complication.

Quote from: Simlasa;900212I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

Agreed. It's an unfortunate aspect of the online age where we know too much about the creators behind products, and it understandably colors many people's views of the product.

Quote from: Simlasa;900212I read the posts in those links... I agree with some of it, far from all of it and what I do agree with I only agree with up to a thin point.
Still, I'm not going to revoke my support of the game... just on principle that I already enjoy movies and paintings and books by people with far more awful opinions and personal histories.
She doesn't seem nearly as toxic as some SJW types. She's just got some political ideas I disagree with, as do a lot of game writers I continue to buy stuff from. I wouldn't have bought Arrows of Indra or Dark Albion if I'd let Pundit's online nonsense get in the way.

I'd rather see the game and judge it for what it is. If it's a soapbox for her opinions rather than a game then I'll condemn that.

For too long the tolerant have had a "live and let live attitude" which has allowed these safe space, gender-bending, micro-aggression-fearing, triggered-by-EVERYTHING morons to thrive. Like bitchy little thieves they've snuck in and stolen reason and open debate, and to the shame/horror of many, we've let them. They are attempting shit their indefensible rhetoric on everything and I am sick of it. They all-to-often can't compete in the arena of debate or an open market so they hide behind identity politics and censorship, crying "Patriarchy!" or "Racism!" when they can't defend their reasoning.

It's not supporting women, gays, blacks or whatever that bothers me. It's the immediate blaming of straight, white males, or any combination thereof, depending one what flavor of victimhood they need.

Can they have differing opinions? Yes, of course. However, the mentality of SJWs is one of "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech". No. They're arguments are counterproductive and it's the laziest way to win when you kick the other team off the field. Fuck 'em.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;900226Can they have differing opinions? Yes, of course. However, the mentality of SJWs is one of "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

I'm not clear where woman writing this game has said or implied anything of the sort.
I'm not very sympathetic to any of this SJW nonsense, I've shouted down the 'not at my table' thing when it cropped up in my Facebook groups. But I'm also cautious of any temptation toward painting them all with the worst behaviors of the most extreme... and/or going on witch hunts to find any suggestion of support for their intolerant notions.

Unlike a lot of SJWs I feel like I can buy a book, movie, song without the implication that I support anything and everything the person who made the thing might have said or done.

Quote from: Crüesader;900140I'm not familiar with these systems you've mentioned (if you recommend them, by all means do so and tell me about them), but even I think the D20 system tends to have severe limitations.  And not everything is resolved with one D20, of course.  I originally thought the White Wolf D10 system would be disgustingly limited, but when you look at it- there's quite a bit you can do.

But overall, the entire game's concept- especially paired with the same dice criteria as Monopoly- it just seems a bit...

1: I have a review up on the System 26 Metamorphosis Alpha with some explanation of the system in there. It essentially bases task resolution on a core of two six-siders, trying to get a success on at least one. Skills, powers and gear add more dice. Relatively straightforward. Though I still think some parts could have been better explained. The rulebook bounces around too much. Emergent uses 2d6 to get a range of answers. modifiers bump that up or down. The far ends of the curve are where the really unlikely results are parked. Seen a few games both board and RPG  that use the d6-percentile method. Usually for some esoteric tables.

2: Alot of games used the 2d6 for resolutions. It gives a good spread with the far ends not impossible to score. 3d6 makes the far ends alot more unlikely. Theres nothing simplistic about it.

Quote from: Simlasa;900232I'm not clear where woman writing this game has said or implied anything of the sort.

Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

Quote from: Crüesader;900275Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

Yeah, read that... twice now... still not seeing where she says anything I'd construe as "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

Quote from: Crüesader;900275Right here: http://archive.is/xTikJ

So as much as I hate to engage with a Hate Group, I broke down and read this.  And the problem with it is that the writer twists neutral topics and immediately assumes it's a barrier to a woman.  This is a siege mentality that's going to affect her writing, which makes me lose interest right there.

BTW, I hope everyone's noting Simlasa is being extremely cool about all this, and Simlasa's only "defense" of supporting the KS is that its a home town gamer doing a KS who is a friend of a friend. Not a ringing endorsement, just a "hey, this game may be cool, or not, but I'm supporting my local scene."

Quote from: Simlasa;900335Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

I could see tweens being a good market for a game about living dolls. If the artwork was more child friendly, I'd almost think the game could be aimed at a younger audience, but the missing eye baby doll definitely falls in the "creepy toy" genre.

Quote from: Spinachcat;900351If the artwork was more child friendly, I'd almost think the game could be aimed at a younger audience, but the missing eye baby doll definitely falls in the "creepy toy" genre.

When I mentioned it to my friends they both immediately said, "Like Toy Story!"... meaning the abused toys of the neighbor kid, that weird spiderbaby thing. Her daughter liked that the toys were busted and had to fix themselves.
Also, the author mentions that the Kickstarter art is from an earlier approach at the rules... that the new art will be less combat oriented.

Quote from: Spinachcat;900351BTW, I hope everyone's noting Simlasa is being extremely cool about all this, and Simlasa's only "defense" of supporting the KS is that its a home town gamer doing a KS who is a friend of a friend. Not a ringing endorsement, just a "hey, this game may be cool, or not, but I'm supporting my local scene."

Respectable approach.  I think Simlasa's approach is fine, and yes they are being cool.

It's just my own personal feelings on the matter- I don't support racists or sexists.  I also kind of believe that if you have to repeatedly remind folks that you're well-educated to make your point, that you're probably a stupid person and very aware of it.  After all, an education does not make a person intelligent... especially considering how many useless degrees that people like her usually wave about.

I don't care if my neighbor's a game developer.  If he blames his personal failures on black people and women, I won't only refuse to support him... I'll do my best to ensure everyone knows who their money supports.  

Informed consumers are the bane of bad businessfolk.

I feel the same way that Simlasa does.

I've supported Kickstarters by people who I often disagree with (in terms of their choice of rhetoric online, anyway) because I'd rather that they spend time writing games instead of contributing to the poisonous atmosphere of social media these days. I wouldn't have bought and praised Dark Albion or a Red and Pleasant Land if I did boycott people on their opinions and online manners.

I like what some of the more "SJW" types write, even though my eyes get sore from rolling them at their exaggerated efforts to appear progressive. Example: in the latest PbtA game that I backed, there isn't a single illustration of a white male in the book (and there are a LOT of characters depicted in there). It's all very creative, mind you, but super, glaringly obvious.

Well there is ONE white guy, but he's a bearded man wearing a crystal dress with high heels (a Trans character, I assumed). His skin tone is extremely pale in comparison to the other people in the book, and it came across as a very obvious commentary ("there IS a white guy in here folks... But he ain't cis-gendered! See what we did there?"). A great game, otherwise.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not offended by this decision to omit whit males from the art or anything, I just think that it's humorous.

Quote from: Simlasa;900335Yeah, read that... twice now... still not seeing where she says anything I'd construe as "Free speech means I can say whatever the hell I want, but if you disagree, that's hate-speech".

Meanwhile, I described what I know of this game to my friend and her daughter tonight... they both thought it sounded pretty cool. So I might actually get a chance to use it after all.

It's the entire victim mentality and I'm willing to bet that if one were to challenge her views on it, she and many others would shout it down. SJW talking points are like a cockroach infestation; you have to destroy each and every one with no quarter.

I will admit to being close-minded concerning the game. My issue had to do with her
her posts. After some chill time I can see how the premise would be appealing. I'm just so raw from the utter insanity of SJWs.