Quote from: CRKrueger;971472It was just a money grab.  You really could make the Lord of the Rings into three movies.  You really can't for the Hobbit, even if you throw in Gandalf's off-scene adventures with the White Council and the machinations of Orcs and Elves.  Maybe you could make two tight movies out of it, but three bloated hollywood monstrosities was idiotic, and Jackson knows it.

It wasn't a money grab, I can tell you (although the studios didn't care if they had made ten films). It was more to do with the script writing processes being scuppered half way through the development of the movie (when Del Toro dropped out, due to union strikes and other delays), and the original writers resorting to type when the pressure was on. The original intention was for two movies, but they couldn't work out ways of editing down the script satisfactorily while keeping the aspects they wanted.

Basically, The Hobbit was a somewhat more troubled production than the initial Lord of the Rings movies. It wasn't as good, although there are still entertaining and fun bits in all the movies.

Quote from: CRKrueger;971232I'm sure he does.  I do as well.  So?

Yep. My favorite is the Remington .308 Rifle with an 8x scope. My daughter prefers a Rock Arsenal M1911 .45, and the boy likes Baretta 9mm, but he's only fourteen, and doesn't like the kick of the .45

Here's a shot of my daughter shooting a couple years back at the Cheyenne Mountain Shooting Range. She had some SF and Cavalry range officers from Fort Carson giving her pointers, as well as some guys from the Colorado Springs Black Powder Club. (Was an active member of that back in the 70's and really liked shooting muzzleloaders, including the old English .64 & .65 Flintlock muskets). My favorite flintlock. A Kentucky Long Rifle. Only .50 cal, but the rifling in the barrel gives it an awesome accurate range.

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She have my permission to shoot you if you feeling up to trespassing, or if she even feels threatened. I have had to run off a loser before. Don't think he was a gamer though, however he was in my house trying to rob me. A rifle works reeeaal well to discourage such stupidity, and to answer your question, yes, I was kinda of hoping he would pull out a weapon and try even the least offensive action, once I had his full attention, which took less than fifteen seconds after I got my rifle and turned on the lights, just as he was creeping through my kitchen.

Violence among RPG players is not a problem compared to society in general, I just think it's a waste of good RPG time to focus so much on violence to the exclusion of everything else. Plus when ppl want to "trigger" me in a forum like this, I kinda like watching em get their panties in a knot over the stupidest of things.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;971284Peter Jackson lives up the road from where I live. He has a life-sized model of an orc in his foyer.

Pretty sure it was this dude, the 16th level Orc that fletched up Borimir. I heard he was on the set exclusively to motivate the actors.

So shockingly enough, it's starting to look like V5 is shaping up to be exactly the kind of PR disaster all those #SJWs claimed it would be.

Quote from: Simlasa;970945My sister was raped, one of my best friends was raped... but seeing rape in a movie/book/game has no connection for me to those realities. I have a friend who was hit and killed by a car... but I'll still run down bad guys in GTA.

That's exactly the kind of disconnect you need in order to play an #RPG with those elements. And while there's nothing shameful in being unable to make that disconnect, and #Bleed can sneak up on the best of us, actively campaigning to eliminate those themes for everyone is.

Quote from: Simlasa;970996'In the Walls of Eryx' is a later tale and non-Mythos scifi but it has a a similar shift as 'Innsmouth' when the narrator at the end comes to realize his blind prejudice and crimes against the natives.
Lovecraft was a bit more complex than some like to allow.

I'm noticing that

Quote from: Simlasa;970996Which extends to some people, women and men, having rape fantasies that they enjoy acting out with trusted partners. Still make-believe and still OK between consenting adults IMO.

You can learn a lot about someone by the things they do not believe are OK between consenting adults.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;971036Then are you not encouraging impressionable minds to think that this sort of behaviour has no consequence or impact?

No, *because that sort of behavior doesn't have any consequence or impact in a fictional setting*. Part of growing up is understanding the difference between fantasy and reality, and those without a firm grasp of that should either be playing with their parents/guardians or not at all.

Quote from: GameDaddy;971065Why yes, Violent Media does cause additional violence in real life.

Then why are fans of sports involving a ball being thrown about consistently more violent than fans of media featuring depictions of violence?

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Then why does #ThePrisonExperiment generate drastically different results as a #LARP than as a #Tabletop? And yes, I've done the requisite experiments, and the results are so consistent I've little doubt you'll find the same.

Quote from: GameDaddy;971127Brainwashing (also known as mind control, menticide, coercive persuasion, thought control, thought reform, and re-education) is the non-scientific concept that the human mind can be altered or controlled by certain psychological techniques. Brainwashing is said to reduce its subject's ability to think critically or independently, to allow the introduction of new, unwanted thoughts and ideas into the subject's mind,as well as to change his or her attitudes, values, and beliefs.

And this is why RPGs suck for behavioral conditioning: Because the last thing they do is reduce one's ability to think critically or independently.

And if you believe RPGs are capable of this level of mind control, you shouldn't even be playing/running them unless your intent is to condition impressionable minds.

Quote from: GameDaddy;971529She have my permission to shoot you if you feeling up to trespassing, or if she even feels threatened. I have had to run off a loser before. Don't think he was a gamer though, however he was in my house trying to rob me.

Can you perhaps offer some non-violent solutions to these problems

Quote from: GameDaddy;971529I just think it's a waste of good RPG time to focus so much on violence to the exclusion of everything else.

At least we can agree on that.

Quote from: Simlasa;970992I've got little to no experience with Paizo's products. I know they're wildly popular.
Do they sell via OBS (which has an adult filter?
Has anyone pushed them to add content warnings?
Do reviews and summary descriptions not mention the bits that upset you?
Does it bother you despite the fact that you can add/drop/delete anything you want before running it?
Do you want them to offer sanitized versions ala what's being done with some Hollywood movies?

The "adult" content is a selling point. They market themselves as a sexier, gorier version of D&D. I just buy the bestiaries and convert them to a less painful system.

Quote from: Dumarest;970993So write a letter to Paizo complaining and then boycott them when they decline to label their products as if the audience was made up of preteens.

It is a time consuming pain to read through a book and take notes on the number of creepy fetish monsters. I like knowing in advance to save time and effort.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;971036Then are you not encouraging impressionable minds to think that this sort of behaviour has no consequence or impact?

I hope not. My Little Pony is already violent enough as it is.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;971255I'd be interested in seeing your list. My initial search of the first four Bestiaries turned up only one use of the word "rape". Obviously euphemistic references might be possible; I'm just curious what they supposedly are.

Most of the time it is explained euphemistically. Most of the rape monsters are female and use violence, mind control or money to coerce or cajole male adventurers into having sex with them. The party is expected to kill said monsters or, if non-evil, find some poor sap to feed them.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;971611It is a time consuming pain to read through a book and take notes on the number of creepy fetish monsters. I like knowing in advance to save time and effort.

New solution: don't read any new books. That way you'll never be surprised by the contents.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;971611Most of the time it is explained euphemistically. Most of the rape monsters are female and use violence, mind control or money to coerce or cajole male adventurers into having sex with them. The party is expected to kill said monsters or, if non-evil, find some poor sap to feed them.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like your definition of rape monster may be a bit more expansive than most folks. If we are eliminating any seductive creatures that takes out a pretty big trope from myth, legend and fantasy.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;971632I could be wrong, but it sounds like your definition of rape monster may be a bit more expansive than most folks. If we are eliminating any seductive creatures that takes out a pretty big trope from myth, legend and fantasy.

Not a comment on anyone in this thread (seriously)....

I feel like somewhere there's a barbarian warrior who hates elves because they're too sexy (maybe the males and females both), and create unrealistic expectations of beauty for human women.  And, by extension, he thinks elves are evil because they choose to be sooo sooo sexy.  This barbarian has some issues.

The person running this website is a racist who publicly advocates genocidal practices.

I am deleting my content.

I recommend you do the same.

Quote from: san dee jota;971638Not a comment on anyone in this thread (seriously)....

I feel like somewhere there's a barbarian warrior who hates elves because they're too sexy (maybe the males and females both), and create unrealistic expectations of beauty for human women.  And, by extension, he thinks elves are evil because they choose to be sooo sooo sexy.  This barbarian has some issues.

The barbarian's problem is that he is intensely (and probably secretly) sexually attracted to elves and wishes he weren't as it's clearly a tribal taboo; thus his hostility to elves.

Quote from: Dumarest;971682The barbarian's problem is that he is intensely (and probably secretly) sexually attracted to elves and wishes he weren't as it's clearly a tribal taboo; thus his hostility to elves.

Nyah.  I'm thinking his tribe couldn't care less.  Of course -he- knows that all true barbarians must deny the sexy, sexy temptation.  Preferably by testing his resolve constantly.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;971632I could be wrong, but it sounds like your definition of rape monster may be a bit more expansive than most folks. If we are eliminating any seductive creatures that takes out a pretty big trope from myth, legend and fantasy.

You think?  The guy looks at Caves of Chaos and sees The Shoah, Mississippi Burning, and The Rape of Nanking.  Safe to say his dictionary is Webster's: Bizarro World Edition.

Quote from: san dee jota;971688Nyah.  I'm thinking his tribe couldn't care less.  Of course -he- knows that all true barbarians must deny the sexy, sexy temptation.  Preferably by testing his resolve constantly.

Hector and the Elf Maiden.

Quote from: GameDaddy;970842Mmmmm. no. I completely disagree here. Everyone here is always talking about mutually consenting adults, and further state that when they begin to run a game, as a GM, that they clearly state for all the players that sit in, that the game is for a mature audience only, and may depict some unsavory, or morally disagreeable acts.

The reality is, is that people are constantly coming and going from any rpg game, especially a game that is hosted publicly, and not everyone will get exposed to the warning and disclaimer, especially if its a really popular game.

Now when a game is deliberately depicted morally reprehensible behavior, it is clearly sending a message that such behavior should be considered ok, and that it is ok that such behavior exists, otherwise, we wouldn't have to include it the game, right?

I just think it is very irresponsible for a GM to introduce, or re-introduce a traumatizing experience for a person who may be unaware of exactly what is implied with a disclaimer that is being provided during a game, or at the gaming table.

I'm also going to give everyone here a very specific example of an incident that occurred in 1984.

I had a friend named Tom, that's not his real name of course, but I'm going to use that here while I'm sharing this story, to protect his identity. Now Tom was a player par excellance, and his game (in addition to roleplaying) was seduction. One day, a young lady walked into his game and he promptly seduced her. Nothing wrong with that. Happens every single day, and they spent some time, both in game, and after happily together.

Turned out, the young lady was already married. Not only was she already married, but she was married to a physically abusive, and domineering husband, and she had desperately wanted out of that relationship... and along comes Tom, the suave charmer, all set to settle in with her, except for... He was only playing a game, seeing just how much the young lady would allow him to transgress and explore into unknown territory. When she got serious, he backed out, but not before moving in with her after she had moved out with her ex. Then, she wanted to stay with him, because he wasn't physically or emotionally abusive, but he didn't really love her, so started putting some distance between them, finally moving out just a couple weeks after he moved in with her.

About a week after that, the cops show up at work. Me and Tom Worked together, that's how we had originally met for gaming, and to go out partying together  and stuff. Tom's paramour, despondent at being abandoned after committing herself to a new relationship, and being rejected by him, and only having a domineering and abusive husband to return to, had decided instead it was better to put a bullet in her head, and committed suicide with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. She had left a note for Tom. So the cops were real interested. Of course this totally fucked up the playboy Tom, he had no idea he could have that much influence, especially because we were all just sitting around playing games.

So, for you real douchebags out there, that are all clever and coy, and like, "Ohh but This isn't real life, we are just playing a game, having some fun..." the problem is, you really don't know who is sitting at the table with you, and whether they are they playing or not, you may think they are, or may absolve yourself of responsibility, ...but you know, my friend Tom, has to wake up every morning now, and look in the mirror, and remember that a beautiful woman killed herself, because he was just playing a game.

He wasn't charged in her death. It was clearly a suicide. But I saw it in his eyes. He knew it was his fault though. It really messed him up.

You know, ...she might have went on, and eventually killed herself anyway, even if she had never met Tom. But then she might have found a real professional, a psychologist, or psychiatrist who could have healed her, and made her better. Or she might have found someone who could have really loved her, and that might have healed her as well, but we'll never know now.

True story.

For all you ignorant cucs out there, that are prancing about all happy in your wrapped up tiny, ignorant world, and spouting joy at transgressing and edgelording, and toeing the line, I have observed people doing exactly that. One ended up dead, and the other psychologically crippled, maybe for always. Good luck with that, and I don't. and won't approve.

Seriously sad for your loss but don't you screen players for obvious mental problems? "Tom" and this woman obviously had easily observable emotional/mental issues that anyone, and I mean anyone looking for this would find it 100 miles away with a telescope while being blind because their seeing eye dog is using said telescope and isn't a Romero version zombie.

Quote from: Baulderstone;970857I've had gaming groups where members started dating, including myself on a couple of occasions. I've had gaming groups threatened by a couple in the group breaking up. I've had groups where people in the group cheated behind the backs of other people in the group causing even more drama.

I suspect all of these same events would have happened if I'd been on a bowling team with those people instead of in a gaming group.

Correct, believe it or not gamers are actual humans that love sex and act like everyone else in that regard if they get the chance. They basically run the best "game" they have to get laid like anyone else that isn't some silly Catholic or Monk ascetic trying to ignore they are literally primal driven by love of the other gender and sex.