Quote from: Future Villain Band;962101Here's the thing -- if you paid me money, like real money, the kind of money a software company can pay, as opposed to what passes for wages in the TTRPG hobby, I'd write whatever the fuck you want.  I could /hate/ vampires, and if you paid me a decent salary, I would write huge paeans to their glory.  So I don't see what his personal feelings have to do with it in the long run.  I don't like D&D 5e, but if somebody was willing to pay me the ducats, I'd write whatever you want about it.

Yup!

Curiosity piqued. But where the fuck is my C:tD 20! :mad: (Yes, I expect to be disappointed. And yes, I still want it now!)

Quote from: Opaopajr;962131Curiosity piqued. But where the fuck is my C:tD 20! :mad:

Don't think that is gonna happen.  I think all the zirs and Exalted put a end to that.

Quote from: AaronBrown99;962105A given person's buying criteria doesn't have to make sense to you, it's an individual thing.

I did see the WW style guide in the late 90s, and it specifically called for using incorrect pronouns like that. Oh well.

If it's a completely personal decision you can all do us the favour of keeping your obsessive politics out this thread then.

Quote from: remial;962057why is Bruce upset?

Because Ken and Zak are pals.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;962075Kenneth Hite's problem is he is a fully matured adult capable of separating his personal politics from the content of his entertainment and games.

And he's about the only one left.

Not sure how much longer the 'community' will allow him to do this however.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;962097Or, you know, they come up with another angle.

First, given what I've seen with nuWW that's unlikely.

Second, I don't care what other angles are possible, only that the opinion of the #LeadDesigner is that #Vampires are rapists, and now he's working on a game where you play #Vampires.

Quote from: Future Villain Band;962101if you paid me money, like real money, the kind of money a software company can pay, as opposed to what passes for wages in the TTRPG hobby, I'd write whatever the fuck you want.

Well that's sad.

Quote from: Baulderstone;962106The early supplements were about playing vampires in the real world. Characters in Chicago by Night were largely defined by the real world ideologies of the characters and the background of their human lives. As the line wore on, everything became defined by the insular terms of vampire society. "I'm playing an Antitribu Tzimisce Primogen." The real world began to fade out of the game and it became all about the Sabbat and Camarilla fighting each other.

In other words, #IdentityPolitics destroyed #Vampire.

I agree entirely.

Quote from: Baulderstone;962106Why does he need to square it away? The fact that vampires preying humans was horrific was a central conceit of the game at the start. You need to feed on humans to sate your bloodlust so you don't get hungry, lose control and do even more horrific things. It was all spelled out pretty clearly.

Because writing for such a game is a tacit admission that it's OK to play #Rapists in a gaming culture that will sabotage someone's career over even suggesting such. #Vampire always got a pass because everyone was effectively playing a #Rapist, and gender was never a source of power imbalance, but I'm really not sure that's enough anymore, or that anyone at WW is capable of handling such charged issues effectively.

Quote from: Baulderstone;962106I agree the Humanity track/Frenzy mechanic never worked well, but I think it was just poorly calibrated, not a bad idea.

I feel the same, but it doesn't look like they've done any better at calibrating it this time around.

Quote from: Ulairi;962111Future Villian Band is saying over on the big purple that we don't like Ken Hite because he used female pronouns. One nitwit said that.

Actually...

Quote from: Ulairi;962111I'm going to buy two copies just to support Mr. Hite and to enjoy it being a success and pissing off all the right people.

Shine on you crazy diamond!

#QED

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;962163I feel the same, but it doesn't look like they've done any better at calibrating it this time around.

And you're basing that on what exactly?

Quote from: Voros;962161If it's a completely personal decision you can all do us the favour of keeping your obsessive politics out this thread then.

No. If me claiming to appreciate correct English is obsessive, you need a fainting couch.

Quote from: AaronBrown99;962093He used 'she' as the default pronoun in at least one book, jarring the the flow of the text and causing his writing to lack clarity and precision. Some RPG buyers don't appreciate that kind of progressive 'point scoring', and won't buy or play games like that.

Can't tell if trolling or just Stormfront.....

But in all seriousness, I am a fan of Kenneth Hite, but I cannot support the New White Wolf's materials as it continues the god-awful metaplot and Martin Ericsson himself is a pretentious Goth douchebag who probably practices self-harm and listens to Sisters of Mercy and Type O Negative.

Martin Ericsson is on my shit-list of "Goths I will never give money to" along with Justin Achilli, Satyros Brucato, David Hill, and Holden Shearer.

Quote from: AaronBrown99;962166No. If me claiming to appreciate correct English is obsessive, you need a fainting couch.

Right, so you're claiming to be a grammar bore instead of a political bore. Having seen your other posts I'm not buying it.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;962167Can't tell if trolling or just Stormfront.....

No dude he's just all about defending the Queen's English. For realz. Looking forward to his future rants and boycotts of those who use split infinitives. He must hate Star Trek.

Quote from: Voros;962173No dude he's just all about defending the Queen's English. For realz. Looking forward to his future rants and boycotts of those who use split infinitives. He must hate Star Trek.

If he's just concerned about the Queen's English, then I'm the Prime Minister of Ireland!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;962167Can't tell if trolling or just Stormfront.....

Neither. You can read right? I just said above that when RPG writers use incorrect pronouns, it disrupts the flow of the text. To do that for no good reason is something I don't support.

Why is this rankling you so?

Also, I'm fine with the Classic Traveller 'he or she', which is common enough.

Quote from: AaronBrown99;962177Neither. You can read right? I just said above that when RPG writers use incorrect pronouns, it disrupts the flow of the text. To do that for no good reason is something I don't support.

Why is this rankling you so?

Also, I'm fine with the Classic Traveller 'he or she', which is common enough.

Ah, so you're a Grammar Nazi then....

Quote from: Doc Sammy;962182Ah, so you're a Grammar Nazi then....

I'm ok with that description.

Jesus Wept.

In an RPG book there is only three reasons to use a pronoun.
1. Referring to an NPC in the world, in which case you use the appropriate gender pronoun of that NPC, whatever that is (oldsters might remember in WFRP1 the Slaaneshi pronoun "shem").
2. Referring to the players in an example.
3. Referring to the characters in an example.

Using all he or all she when referring to players or characters is just stupid.  Neither one reflects reality, so you mix them, like B/X and AD&D did.