Quote from: RPGPundit;1075459So instead of standing up to the SJW totalitarians, these cowardly assholes would rather remove the credit that all of us who were Consultants earned than dare to just remove Zak and not me.

I don't think that removing Zak would be right. He was a consultant and contributed to the game. It's revisionist to try to deny that, regardless of later revelations about him.

I would prefer that the list of consultants remain up, but failing that, I think the next best choice is not to credit any consultants. To be fair, crediting consultants and play-testers often is not done for games - so while it's a weasely PR move, it isn't blatantly wrong to do so (unless the consultant contract calls for visible credit).

Ship sort of sailed. They were all credited in prior printings. They very well can't make all of the books currently out in the wild just disappear. The credits are there.

This sort of revisionist cowardice does not sit right with me. The people did the work. They were consultants. That's the beginning and end of the matter.

Unless WOTC wants to completely recall and replace the books I and others have already purchased with new ones. This seems absolutely petty and pointless.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1075541Unless WOTC wants to completely recall and replace the books I and others have already purchased with new ones. This seems absolutely petty and pointless.

Sadly I have purchased the 5e PHB for my son. I'm happy he likes running Call of Cthulu games more though, and I'll just go back to running older D&D games since WOTC wants to get politically incorrect again. Glad I didn't give them a lot of money just so they could  screw a bunch of game designers for the sake of a few bad apples. That reeks.

Quote from: SHARK;1075412Greetings!

You know, if I was Pundit, I would investigate with a lawyer about filing Libel, Harassment, Slander, Defamation suit against Daniel Fox. Daniel Fox is certainly slandering Pundit with unsubstantiated and malicious lies, which not only impugn Pundit's character--but also cost him money, reputation, and future profitable opportunities. I'm not a lawyer, though I'm wondering if what Fox has been doing to Pundit is legal. It would be glorious to drag Fox into court so he could be sued for several hundred grand or more, and publicly crucified!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This guy gets it.

I would love to see Pundit slam Daniel Fox with a libel suit, the fucker clearly deserves it.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1075548Sadly I have purchased the 5e PHB for my son. I'm happy he likes running Call of Cthulu games more though, and I'll just go back to running older D&D games since WOTC wants to get politically incorrect again. Glad I didn't give them a lot of money just so they could  screw a bunch of game designers for the sake of a few bad apples. That reeks.

I think core 5E retains value as a game, even if WOTC gives in to the SJW crowd.  The PHB still has value to me, because that money was already spent, for my part.
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You are a very different dude on rpg pub Doc Sammy. Its almost like you're trying to suck up to everybody by repeating language of the poster in front of you.

Quote from: Grognard101;1075556You are a very different dude on rpg pub Doc Sammy. Its almost like you're trying to suck up to everybody by repeating language of the poster in front of you.

I do apologize for that, I really do. Daniel Fox irritates me to no end and I don't act like that on RPG Pub because I don't want to bring any harm or cause any chaos to the Pub, as it is literally my favorite RPG discussion board and I honestly prefer posting at the Pub than I do here or anywhere else (that being said, Pundit does run a tight ship and this is a good place to blow off steam when it comes to politics related to gaming)

Like, I'm a lot more laid-back on the Pub because I am more at home there. Here, everyone's all riled up anyway so I might as well jump in too.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1075557Like, I'm a lot more laid-back on the Pub because I am more at home there. Here, everyone's all riled up anyway so I might as well jump in too.

The most important time to be laid-back is when other people are getting riled up. Taking things up a notch just makes you like the eternally outraged posters you claim to despise on RPGnet. Be true to yourself rather than being a tool of whatever board you're on.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1075559The most important time to be laid-back is when other people are getting riled up. Taking things up a notch just makes you like the eternally outraged posters you claim to despise on RPGnet. Be true to yourself rather than being a tool of whatever board you're on.

Great advice is often hard to follow.

Quote from: Bren;1075537A for-profit company choosing to try to avoid controversy in their quest to maximize shareholder wealth. Who would ever have expected that?

They did so in the least strategic way possible, the way that was GUARANTEED to keep the SJWs calling for their blood and adding a bunch of Cultural Libertarians calling for their blood now too.

EDIT: Also, if you are a company and have the choice between causing controversy among YOUR OWN CUSTOMERS versus causing controversy amongst a tiny group of political extremists who have very publicly stated they are NOT your customers, never were, hate and have always hated your product, and never would be, the wiser thing is not to 'get woke' if you want to avoid 'going broke'.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1075551This guy gets it.

I would love to see Pundit slam Daniel Fox with a libel suit, the fucker clearly deserves it.

Greetings!

Thanks, Sammy. Well, unfortunately, as Pundit mentioned, WOTC is in the clear by simply removing the entire Consultant Credit.

Apparently, Daniel Fox is also entirely free to go about the public square spreading lies, maliciously slandering Pundit, besmirching Pundit's character at every opportunity, while he promotes lists of hated people to be targeted on a constant basis by the ever-increasing mobs of SJW fanatics that Fox gleefully encourages. All such activity contributing to the public disparagement of Pundit's reputation, and furthermore damaging Pundit's present and future business and commercial opportunities.

Personally, I am dismayed that such behaviour is legal, and that Pundit has no legal recourse to adress such terrible behaviour by Daniel "Zweihander" Fox.

That is not merely sad, but tragic. It is unjust. I hope that Pundit prevails and thrives in great success.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1075572Greetings!

Thanks, Sammy. Well, unfortunately, as Pundit mentioned, WOTC is in the clear by simply removing the entire Consultant Credit.

Apparently, Daniel Fox is also entirely free to go about the public square spreading lies, maliciously slandering Pundit, besmirching Pundit's character at every opportunity, while he promotes lists of hated people to be targeted on a constant basis by the ever-increasing mobs of SJW fanatics that Fox gleefully encourages. All such activity contributing to the public disparagement of Pundit's reputation, and furthermore damaging Pundit's present and future business and commercial opportunities.

Personally, I am dismayed that such behaviour is legal, and that Pundit has no legal recourse to adress such terrible behaviour by Daniel "Zweihander" Fox.

That is not merely sad, but tragic. It is unjust. I hope that Pundit prevails and thrives in great success.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, sadly Daniel Fox is in the clear for now, at least legally.

I need to stop letting my emotions override me when it comes to assholes in our hobby (Daniel Fox, Zak Sabbath, Black Hat Matt, Varg Vikernes, Olivia Hill, Holden Shearer, etc.) because I always end up putting my foot in my mouth.

Hey SHARK, if you want, I'd love to see you over at RPG Pub since I'm a lot more active there than I am here. I think you're a cool dude and a plain blunt speaker and I'm starting a Play By Post over there that I would love to have you join.

Of course, if you don't have the time or just aren't interested, I understand completely. I'll still be here too.

Also, if you're interested, I just launched a brand new RPG blog today, linked below in my signature.

(stops shameless self-promotion)

Seriously though, I am disgusted by Daniel Fox and his hypocrisy.

Didn't James Gunn write something for their new Art of D&D book?  Why haven't they disavowed him too?

ps- that book is the best thing wotc has ever published, probably due to the fact they didnt write it

Is Olivia Hill really David A. Hill?  If so I hope he gets targeted by his own sjw witch hunting mob.  Fucker had his G+ buddies dog piled me.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1075593Is Olivia Hill really David A. Hill?  If so I hope he gets targeted by his own sjw witch hunting mob.  Fucker had his G+ buddies dog piled me.

Indeed, Olivia Hill really is the Bolshevik scumbag formerly known as David A. Hill.