Quote from: deadDMwalking;1076234... Leia and Han never made the galaxy a better place.  Defeating the Empire didn't accomplish ANYTHING.

Yes, that was disappointing.

QuoteThe Galaxy is a big place.  I know there are a lot of stories that are no longer canon about what the collapse of the Empire means.  I maintain that stories like 'Heart of Darkness' where military commanders of Star Destroyers have set up their own monstrous empires would be a world ripe for Jedi Knights to explore - they needed a 'Knights of the Round Table' saga, not a reboot.  They needed to allow the events of the original movies stand and deal with the consequences, rather than try to reset everything so we could go back to exactly the way it was before and do it all again, only worse.

New Jedi = Knights of the Round Table. That is a very interesting idea and could make a great setting for post RotJ RPG campaign. Luke Skywalker becomes some combination of Arthur (head of the Round Table) and Merlin (mystical wizard guy).

And something like that had been the theme for the movies, Disney could still have a lot of the over the top Jedi action that became the vogue with the Star Wars prequels and computer games.

EDIT: Off topic perhaps, but inside the Star Wars movie tangent I found a shiny, new-to-me idea for a Star Wars campaign.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1076172I'm not from the US, but the police being told by the Portland mayor's office not to do anything to those Antifa people that were redirecting traffic seems like a clear inability or unwillingness to suppress actions (though not actual violence) that were pretty bizarre (basically taking over a power that is reserved to the police).

The videos are still up on youtube, including people filming the police standing by, chomping at the bit but unable to do anything about the bastards right in the middle of the street directing traffic "because I told you so, you white boy" (or some such phrase).

This is off topic. Do not post again on this thread. Consider this your warning.

Star Wars discussion is OFF TOPIC. Take it to the Media & Inspiration forum. No more discussion of Star Wars, or anything outside of the realm of RPGs, will be tolerated. Don't make me ban people.

Quote from: Mistwell;1076241Jesus Fucking Christ On A Stick what does Pundit have to do to get you fuckers to stop taking this thread off-topic about your little pet beefs concering movies?

Probably ban people, knowing how this went before.

But I'll say it again in the hope that this is heeded: FROM THIS POST ON ANY POST THAT HAS A SUBJECT OFF-TOPIC TO RPGS & THE RPG HOBBY IN GENERAL AND THE ZAK/WOTC THING THAT'S GOING ON IN PARTICULAR IS GOING TO GET A BAN.

FWIW, I checked my 5E PHB, and WOTC has been unable to remove the names of the contributors.

I like hardback books, for the win!!!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1076131Yeah, but they care about going after Mearls because they think he's secretly "conservative" (note "conservative" here just means "not a full-blown Stalinist SJW").

I have to say, they have made a tremendously good counter-argument there, because it's reinforced my understanding that when Mearls is fired, everyone else left in WoTC is part of the Stalinist-SJW agenda, and will destroy D&D in their fervor. He's literally the only thing keeping it mostly sane.  It must be enormously stressful for him, constantly having to play this balancing act of pretending to agree with everything they demand he pretend to agree with, and altering material just enough to placate the SJWs for the moment without causing actual harm to the brand (which would piss off the corporate overlords) all while walking a tightrope of having to watch every single thing he says, does, or even who he looks in the eye or how he smiles, for fear of any of the entirely hostile office using that as the trigger for an internal coup.

So, I take it from your comment you see Mearls being sacrificed on the alter of the SJW agenda as inevitable? What sort of time frame are you expecting this to go down and does this mean we're likely to get a "Woke" 6e (2020 would be about six years... longer than WotC has ever managed without churning out a new edition) or 5.5e designed to to purge all the non-SJW elements out of 5e at some point after Mearls is shown the door?

No. It seems to me like a bunch of these new people came specifically to poke the bear. The bear being Pundit.

And it's far from a productive thing for them to do.

Why am I here? To actually participate in conversations with reasonable people. And Pundit is nomally quite reasonable. Unless someone rubs him particularly the wrong way.

The Big Purple turned into a cesspool of utter garbage. Because the mods never did a thing about people deliberately derailing and griefing threads. So much,  that even posting any kind of conversation at all turned into a futile exercise.

On TBP. I admit that I developed a bit of an attitude problem. I didn't trust the mods to actual do the job of moderating. I did more than my share of courting controversy. And I quite deliberately kept a chip on my shoulder. Because I believed that there was no chance at all that I would be treated fairly.

Pundit. For all of his flaws. Tries his damnedest to give everybody an even shake. i saw that quality immediately from when I first met him in that IRC chatroom long ago. And it's something I truly respect. It's why he got me to come here in the first place.

The fact that Wizards wants to disrespect consultants who did nothing wrong. By removing their credits from the game they hard worked on. It stinks to me. And it stinks loudly. Those consultants deserve better.

And I do not think I want to continue to support a company that see's fit to persecute and discredit others for simply having differing opinions. It's bullshit! And it has nothing to do with the quality of the work that those people produced.

Zak. S is a piece of crap. He deserves the drummiing out of the business he earned. But I will never agree with throwing innocent people, who did nothing wrong, under the bus.

Think of me what you will. I have my sense of morality. And I'm sticking by it.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1075667How can I link it?  It goes all the way back to 2011 to 2013 I think.  It was when feminism frequency released her first video game videos.  With G+ dying it is going to be hard if not impossible.

Also do I need to prove SJWs are not afraid to dog pile on the internet?

No, but the more evidence the better, especially when it relates to bad actors like Olivia.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1075703Just keep in mind you need to ask Simlasa for links too if you want to keep it fair.

I want those links too, just forgot to ask.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1075769I think it's hilarious that every time Fox has posted a link to one of my blogs claiming "RPGPundit is X" and quoting a single line from it, the blog itself directly contradicts his point.

I'm noticing this a lot lately. For example, Zak's own defense was more damning than almost anything Mandy accused him of.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1075771Today Wizards made a statement on twitter that they were not going to include Zak's name in the credits of the next printing of the PHB. They gave no indication of whether they were going to still include the rest of us who were Consultants.

It's likely the entire section will go.

Regardless there's a legal basis for you and Zak to sue, because you can't simply remove someone's credits from a work they helped create. It's like being an editor of someone's story. What's worse is as a 'consultant' there isn't anything which could specifically be removed.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1075771But if they should remove mine along with Zak's just to placate these fucking Stalinists, there will be hell to pay.

Starting with my pushing the nuclear button and publishing the Mearls Emails.

Ultimatums are never a good look.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1075785Wait Hill is backing up Mandy?  Is there a link?

Yes! Link!

Quote from: Dan Vincze;1075854He did write that negative review of Keep on the Borderlands 20 years ago.

How was he even allowed to work on D&D?!?

Quote from: Jaeger;1075886Ahh but you can laugh harder when you filter internet forums through: http://www.gizoogle.net

Where has this been all my life?

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1075903After all the work I did to translate it FROM gangsta'.

No wonder it wasn't making much sense.

Quote from: Haffrung;1076021WotC never gets the adventures aligned with the system. When they had a system geared towards relatively few but highly dramatic and cinematic combats, they released combat-dense dungeon adventures. Now that they have a system geared for lots of attritional combats, they're publishing epic plot-driven campaigns. I firmly believe Keep on the Shadowfell and Thunderspire Labyrinth are best suited to 5E, while Curse of Strahd and Waterdeep Dragon Heist would play better with 4E.

That's an incredibly ironic and insightful point. You mind if I sling it to #Reddit?

Quote from: Chris24601;1076310So, I take it from your comment you see Mearls being sacrificed on the alter of the SJW agenda as inevitable? What sort of time frame are you expecting this to go down and does this mean we're likely to get a "Woke" 6e (2020 would be about six years... longer than WotC has ever managed without churning out a new edition) or 5.5e designed to to purge all the non-SJW elements out of 5e at some point after Mearls is shown the door?

It's pretty hard to guess at this. I mean, he could be fired tomorrow, or he could somehow manage to keep it up for another few years.

I would suspect that barring unexpected events, 2020 might be a key year for all kinds of SJW hysteria, as it is the year Trump will be re-elected. They'll be in absolute batshit-psychosis stage for the entire campaign season, and the immediate aftermath.

Without looking, who came name the consultants that aren't Pundit or Zak?  If it wasn't for "ConsultGate" (retarded fucking name by the way, not everything needs to be -gate), I wouldn't even know they had a hand in it.

That said, I'm hardly surprised that WotC took the cowards path on this. Everything they've done since dropping to core set has been cowardly and afraid to commit to anything.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1076435Without looking, who came name the consultants that aren't Pundit or Zak?  If it wasn't for "ConsultGate" (retarded fucking name by the way, not everything needs to be -gate), I wouldn't even know they had a hand in it.

That said, I'm hardly surprised that WotC took the cowards path on this. Everything they've done since dropping to core set has been cowardly and afraid to commit to anything.

Greetings!

Hey Warboss!! When you said, "Everything they've done since dropping to core set has been cowardly and afraid to commit to anything."

What do you mean by that, my friend? Can you elaborate more on this?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1076437Greetings!

Hey Warboss!! When you said, "Everything they've done since dropping to core set has been cowardly and afraid to commit to anything."

What do you mean by that, my friend? Can you elaborate more on this?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How many years has 5th been out? How many setting books have been released?

There's been some FR adventure books, which have a bit of fluff, if you can look past villains like "The Invincible Overlord".  Dumbest name ever. Oh, and there's an adventure book for Ravenloft. Yay.

The three best books, Volo's, Mordikainen's, and another I can't remember the name of are just mechanical books. Monster info and stats, spells and some PC stuff.

But adventure books are a safe bet, so are mechanic books.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1076440How many years has 5th been out? How many setting books have been released?

There's been some FR adventure books, which have a bit of fluff, if you can look past villains like "The Invincible Overlord".  Dumbest name ever. Oh, and there's an adventure book for Ravenloft. Yay.

The three best books, Volo's, Mordikainen's, and another I can't remember the name of are just mechanical books. Monster info and stats, spells and some PC stuff.

But adventure books are a safe bet, so are mechanic books.

Xanathar's Guide to Everything?

You must not have read Mordenkainen's. It's filled with lore about elves, dwarves, etc. I learned a lot about their weird ways. Same with Volo's, and Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1076435Without looking, who came name the consultants that aren't Pundit or Zak?

  Jeff Grubb, Ken Hite, Robin Laws, Kevin Kulp, and one other I can't recall off hand.