Quote from: Cylonophile;387121Watch out for coaltar's attack sock now.

Preferable to his wank sock.

Quote from: One Horse Town;387148Preferable to his wank sock.

If someone has to quote him - rather not the response go that direction.  {{{:-)

Sort of on topic:
While I may not be a fan of D&D 4/e and had a bad experience last few sessions of that campaign that I was in - I don't let that color my comments or thoughts if someone is happily browsing our D&D 4/e section.

 Heck, I even push the weekly Wednesday night D&D Encounters if someone says they want to try D&D or gaming.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Seanchai;387141No, he's being smart. Assuming the conversation went basically as described, it's pretty damn clear Shaz didn't want to talk to the other person. But that person persists, because he wanted to share his opinion of the edition Shaz was reading. Wanting to avoid engaging with folks who want to pee in your cornflakes isn't idiotic - it's makes being a gamer bearable.

Seanchai

You don't have to be an asshole to deflect someone who wants to pee in your cornflakes. The choice is not either "engage" or "be an asshole". There's a whole lot of excluded middle here. I'm sorry, but acting like this towards someone you don't know just doesn't compute with me as "being smart", unless one is some sort of antisocial dickhead who wants creds with other pieces of societal trash.

Quote from: Benoist;387152You don't have to be an asshole to deflect someone who wants to pee in your cornflakes.

No, you don't. Nor do you have to treat them with respect. They're clearly not treating you with any.

Moreover, it's not as if he went postal on the guy or cussed him out. He simply answered in a flip, sarcasm fashion. If being sarcastic and flip to strangers makes you an antisocial dickhead, holy fuck but this place - and the Internet in general - is full of 'em!

In fact, aren't you one?

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;387154In fact, aren't you one?

Seanchai

Nope. I am actually not. I'm one of those rare people around here who says "welcome" to newcomers (you can check it out for yourself), and if they don't rub me the wrong way, I won't be a pain to them. If you are being an asshole, or keep being the resident contrarian, however, I won't feel particularly obliged to respect you.

Quote from: Benoist;387158If you are being an asshole, or keep being the resident contrarian, however, I won't feel particularly obliged to respect you.

Let me get this straight. Someone is being an asshole to Shaz, but he has to be polite to them. Someone is an asshole to you, however, and you don't have to be polite to them.

And let's be honest: Your idea of someone being an asshole is disagreeing with you. They can be polite, but if they disagree, you won't hesitate to be nasty if you're in the mood for such things.

Moreover, let's not pretend if you (or many others here) were reading an older edition of D&D in a public place and some jerkwad approached you for the sole purpose of telling you what a lousy edition you were reading and that you should be reading 4e, you'd tell them off in a heartbeat and then come here to brag about the incident.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;387159Let me get this straight. Someone is being an asshole to Shaz, but he has to be polite to them.

We don't seem to have read the same dialog:

QuoteI was riding to work one day on a local tram and flipping through a D&D book, when some sweaty, unwashed neckbeard tried to start up a conversation:

Him: Hey...is that a D&D book?

Me: (clearly flipping through a D&D book) No.

Him: Uh...may I ask what it is?

Me: The Book of Mormon.

Him: Then why does it say Dungeons & Dragons on the cover?

Me: That kind of question is better answered through faith and prayer.

Him: Okay well...I think 4E sucks.

Me: What's a 4E?

Him: 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons. It isn't really D&D.

Me: Dungeons & Dragons is for perverts and devil worshipeprs. I'm reading the Book of Mormon. Would you like to hear the good word of the Heavenly Father?

See the bolded passage? That's where Shaz starts being an asshole to him. The guy didn't provoke him. He asked a question.

Quote from: Seanchai;387159And let's be honest: Your idea of someone being an asshole is disagreeing with you. They can be polite, but if they disagree, you won't hesitate to be nasty if you're in the mood for such things.

Nope. It's just that you're constantly being a contrarian asshole in every single conversation we have. I disagree fairly often with some guys around here I wouldn't consider assholes. I disagree fairly often with Peregrin for instance. Do I think he's an asshole? Nope.

So don't start thinking that your case is some sort of generality. It's not. You're just an asshole, that's all.

Quote from: Seanchai;387159Moreover, let's not pretend if you (or many others here) were reading an older edition of D&D in a public place and some jerkwad approached you for the sole purpose of telling you what a lousy edition you were reading and that you should be reading 4e, you'd tell them off in a heartbeat and then come here to brag about the incident.

Seanchai

Well unless I have some psychic powers, I can't know whatever the guy has to say before he actually says it. So I'd start by saying yes, it's an old edition book. If the guy starts talking about how he doesn't like it, I'll do some small talk in response. You can disagree with people without being a jerkwad about it. Besides, it's not like I'm stuck with the guy posting constant noise on some message board I like. It's just a tram ride, it'll be over soon enough.

Quote from: Benoist;387161We don't seem to have read the same dialog:


See the bolded passage? That's where Shaz starts being an asshole to him. The guy didn't provoke him. He asked a question.

Yep.  Any other conclusion is some serious cognitive dissonance.  There's ten thousand ways to not be a dick to someone, Shaz just chose the path of greater resistance, for some unknowable reason.

now please, shawn-tea, come and defend him, I can hardly wait.

One of the 'middle' possible options might have been to say :

 "Yes, it IS a D&D book. Its nice that you recognize it , but I'm in the mood just to read the book and not chat. Sorry about that. "

Or even a milder version of that.

 Even strangers can get the message that another person isn't in the mood to chat without rudeness or sarcasm having to be involved.


- Ed C.

Or holy fucking shit say yes it is and maybe gain a player.

Why do 4e fans suck so much?  Why don't they want to grow the hobby?  Why are they so exclusionary?  IIIIIIIITS AAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL D&D, RIGHT?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;387169Or holy fucking shit say yes it is and maybe gain a player.

Why do 4e fans suck so much?  Why don't they want to grow the hobby?  Why are they so exclusionary?  IIIIIIIITS AAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL D&D, RIGHT?

I agree with you here, maybe shaz shouldn't have driven the guy off as a first option, I'd think that a few minutes spent feeling him out might have gotten shaz a new player. It would have likely been my option.

But we weren't there, and maybe shaz got a bad vibe from the guy for some reason and didn't want to try hooking him up as a member of his game circle or maybe he already had a full circle.

On the surface shazs reaction seems possibly wrong, but if we give him the benefit of the doubt maybe there was some reason to drive the guy off since he was there and we weren't.

Quote from: Cylonophile;387170I agree with you here, maybe benny shouldn't have driven the guy off as a first option, I'd think that a few minutes spent feeling him out might have gotten benny a new player. It would have likely been my option.

Just to be clear here, in case you're talking about me as "benny" here: I'm not the guy who just sent the curious dude fuck off pretending my D&D book was the Book of Mormon. It's Shaz who did that.

Quote from: Benoist;387171Just to be clear here, in case you're talking about me as "benny" here: I'm not the guy who just sent the curious dude fuck off pretending my D&D book was the Book of Mormon. It's Shaz who did that.

Sorry, it looked like you were taking the flack for some reason. It's late, i'm a little bleary and I'm still recovering from a game con last weekend...

Quote from: Cylonophile;387172Sorry, it looked like you were taking the flack for some reason. It's late, i'm a little bleary and I'm still recovering from a game con last weekend...

It's cool. It's Seanchai who says what Shaz did was "smart". Me, I call it a dickmove.