Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;470057Sigmund> I don't think this place is as bad as RPG.net, but I don't think that it should be exonerated simply by comparison, either. It's important to nip this shit in the bud before we become RPG.net with Pundit playing the role of Cessna.

Honestly, I can't see it ever happening. I doubt I'm alone in feeling that if this site went down that road, it would no longer appeal to me and I'd move on. I really feel Pundit knows this, and further that Pundit himself doesn't want the site to go that way, since he could easily take it there without all the coyness or subtlety. I think you have unrealistic expectations of the leeway folks should be given around here. In the case of Seanchai, it's not what he would post, but how he posted it. He regularly and consistently threadcrapped, trolled, and verbally abused Pundit at every opportunity. What useful posts he did make were, IMO, far overshadowed by his extreme argumentativeness and nastiness. Pundit doesn't seem to care if we swear, call each other whatever on occasion, or call each other out for spouting bullshit. It's consistent harassment of another poster (or posters), and for that I applaud him. I think folks need to remember that this forum ain't a democracy, this is Pundit's house, and if we don't play by his rules then we suffer the consequences. I can point out literally dozens of examples of Pundit warning Seanchai to cease and desist and the idiot just kept on. He has reaped what he has sown, and he gets no sympathy from me. If any of us feel this is unfair, there's a whole internet of forums, and even the capability to make our own. Until then, my opinion is we need to show our host some courtesy and respect whether we agree with his ideas and philosophies or not. When someone visits my house I demand the same.

Quote from: Melan;470132So? Pundit would also have been banned long ago on pretty much any other forum. Actually, he has been banned on RPGNet, ENWorld, and probably elsewhere. So have a lot of other active posters on this site. One of the original objectives of this forum was to create an environment where this does not happen (the other one was the appreciation of traditional games, which, especially at that time, were attacked with a lot of disingenuous deconstructionist bullshit elsewhere). Therefore, while I find the place generally fair and refreshing, it is also more galling when bans are handed out on the basis of "I don't like this guy". Nobody is exactly crying over Jackalope or Cylonophile. Well, nobody is crying much over Seanchai either, but I will maintain his ban was a miscarriage of justice.

I will continue to disagree. Having had to endure more than one of Seanchai's snipes, trolls, and pointless arguments for argument's sake alone, as well as seeing him post in threads repeatedly for no other reason than to insult Pundit, I think he had plenty of chances to get the clue. it's not like he posted one or two things and Pundit nuked him. It's been YEARS he's acted like a dick. Plus, I'm not sure the point about Pundit being banned. So what? That was there, this is here, and Pundit put his money where his mouth is and took over and grew this site. If Seanchai's contributions are so valuable, and his absence such a loss, then maybe he should do the same and build his own forum and site. The fact is characterizing Seanchai's banning as "I don't like this guy" is outright dishonest of someone like you who has been around this forum for so long. If the fuckwad acted the way he acted in my house his ass would have been booted years ago. For it to be a "miscarraige of justice", you're going to have to show how it would have been more just to allow Seanchai to continue to troll, threadcrap, and harass Pundit constantly. I think it's more likely that ya'all who are bitching about this ban are doing so simply because it's you who doesn't like Pundit and are taking this opportunity to attempt to falsely discredit him and his moderation policies, not because of any concern or fondness for Seanchai or the integrity of this site. Fact is, if he wants, Pundit can ban anyone for anything at any time. Unlike all those other site from which Pundit was or perhaps would have been banned himself, this is his site, and he makes the rules here. Of any of us have a problem with that there's a real simple solution...

Quote from: boulet;470171I regret Seanchai was banned. If he was "tolerated" for many years I don't see why he couldn't stay some more. I don't think he's such a disturbance and I can't see what horrible thing he did this time. I have ignored many of his posts, especially when he answered sentences after sentences of his target of the day. I'm not saying he's a model member. But he also makes smart observations and has a talent to reveal elephants in the room. I know Pundit won't come back on his decision. It was a lame decision though.

He was banned for consistently harassing and insulting a member of this forum (which is one of the few things Pundit has stated a member will be perma-banned for, and I applaud that personally). Also, before we start spouting off about how it was only because that member happened to be Pundit himself, we need to remember that Pundit put up with the bullshit from Seanchai a great deal longer than he had put up with the harassment another banned individual was directing Koltar's way. If Seanchai's insights and contributions are that invaluable, make a forum of your own and let him troll on that one.

Quote from: jgants;470186The fact that we can recall pretty much everyone who has been banned here since it became theRPGSite many years ago pretty much proves that the moderation is pretty light.

The only ones I recall are:
* The guy who wouldn't stop stalking Koltar
* The guy who wouldn't stop talking about his issues with age of consent / attraction to minors
* The guy who wouldn't stop talking about his extreme views on politics (you know, the whole "humanity just needs to die" thing)
* The few guys who solely came here to disrupt the site and talk smack about Pundit, usually an invasion from some other site
* The guy who did absolutely nothing but troll threads and make circular, contrarian arguments.

Did I miss anybody?

Personally, I miss being able to use the bat slap image a lot more than I'll miss those guys.  

There was the guy (I'm guessing) who started posting gay porn images. Otherwise, i think you've got it.

Here goes 4 posts in a row of froathing at the mouth. That's just as disruptive as Seanchai's modus operandi IMO.

Eh, I've found most women to be just as embarrassed by the art on Romance novels, as I am of cheesecake art on RPG books.

Not very, but gracious enough to take/crack a few jokes.

Quote from: boulet;470206Here goes 4 posts in a row of froathing at the mouth. That's just as disruptive as Seanchai's modus operandi IMO.

Luckily, your opinion doesn't equal truth. I posted my opinion, just like you do. If I'm frothing at the mouth then so is everyone else. I'm sure what I posted is "disruptive" to you, because it's someone disagreeing with you and pointing out where you're full of shit, and unlike what Seanchai would do, what I'm doing is not only allowed, but encouraged around here. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Quote from: Sigmund;470208Luckily, your opinion doesn't equal truth. I posted my opinion, just like you do. If I'm frothing at the mouth then so is everyone else. I'm sure what I posted is "disruptive" to you, because it's someone disagreeing with you and pointing out where you're full of shit, and unlike what Seanchai would do, what I'm doing is not only allowed, but encouraged around here. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Or it's disruptive because it has nothing at all to do with the topic of the thread.

Some of us came to the "how sexist is the RPG hobby?" thread to discuss sexism in RPGs and aren't going to leave because one person is talking irrelevant shit. So it might just be better to discuss the banning either on the original thread or in pundit's forum, where it isn't annoying people interested in discussing games.

Unless the mods have something to say about it, I think I'll stay a little longer, whatever you fucktard say. But thanks for the demonstration of passionate irrelevant wall of text here. I didn't expect Seanchai's boots would be worn while still warm.

Quote from: boulet;470211Unless the mods have something to say about it, I think I'll stay a little longer, whatever you fucktard say. But thanks for the demonstration of passionate irrelevant wall of text here. I didn't expect Seanchai's boots would be worn while still warm.

Me either, I just wonder why you want to assume his mantle when he is such a dick. I really don't give a fuck if you stay or not, just find it pretty sad that you get your little girly panties in such a bunch because big bad me disagreed with you. If you give me your address I'll mail you a box of tissues for all those tears you're QQing. I really think, though, that if you're gonna stick around you might wanna man up a little, I'm not the only one around here who's gonna call you on your silly bullshit.

Quote from: Sigmund;470202. Plus, I'm not sure the point about Pundit being banned. So what? That was there, this is here, and Pundit put his money where his mouth is and took over and grew this site. If Seanchai's contributions are so valuable, and his absence such a loss, then maybe he should do the same and build his own forum and site.

That's right.  Remember, anyone can do what I did...

...except they can't, because they're not me.  Which I think is one of the things that causes the pundit-haters to hate so much.  They know they're failures in comparison.

RPGPundit

Quote from: beejazz;470209Or it's disruptive because it has nothing at all to do with the topic of the thread.

Some of us came to the "how sexist is the RPG hobby?" thread to discuss sexism in RPGs and aren't going to leave because one person is talking irrelevant shit. So it might just be better to discuss the banning either on the original thread or in pundit's forum, where it isn't annoying people interested in discussing games.

I'll give ya that I'm being off-topic. I apologize for that. However, I'm not the only one talking about it, so in reference to that assertion you can fuck off. I notice you didn't whine at any of the folks I quoted in my posts, who were discussing the subject before me. It's also not like I'm the only one who's ever followed a line of discussion that was OT to the thread before, and I'd be willing to bet if i look hard enough I'd even find where you've done it, so in reference to that you can kiss my booty too. In the end, though, you're correct and I'll not discuss it here any more. Once, again, sorry for the OT, just finding it hard to believe folks can actually bitch about this shit.

Quote from: RPGPundit;470216That's right.  Remember, anyone can do what I did...

...except they can't, because they're not me.  Which I think is one of the things that causes the pundit-haters to hate so much.  They know they're failures in comparison.

RPGPundit

I can certainly see how the evidence supports your conclusion. I'm not aware of any forums that have been started, let alone grown to such success by anyone I've seen banned from here.

Ok, yes, though, there's nothing relevant about Seanchai here. People who want to talk about the banning decision can put up a thread about in either the Help forum (if its some kind of formal request) or the Pundit's forum (if its not).

Please stop derailing discussion toward this subject here.  Sigmund, I really appreciate  your standing up to defend my decision on here, and understand your frustration with some of the pundit-haters who're standing up for seanchai only because he was my enemy, but part of what they want is for this thread and others to be disrupted into talking about the ban rather than their own subjects.  If the Swine can turn threads into controversy about my judgment and make it impossible for people to talk about anything else, then they win. So don't play their games that way.  Defend me on a thread dedicated to the subject, if it comes up; I appreciate and welcome regular posters and users of this site jumping in to say that they like how things are done here.  But in this thread, let's get back to talking about how dumb the RPG.net fashionistas are.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;470219Ok, yes, though, there's nothing relevant about Seanchai here. People who want to talk about the banning decision can put up a thread about in either the Help forum (if its some kind of formal request) or the Pundit's forum (if its not).

Please stop derailing discussion toward this subject here.  Sigmund, I really appreciate  your standing up to defend my decision on here, and understand your frustration with some of the pundit-haters who're standing up for seanchai only because he was my enemy, but part of what they want is for this thread and others to be disrupted into talking about the ban rather than their own subjects.  If the Swine can turn threads into controversy about my judgment and make it impossible for people to talk about anything else, then they win. So don't play their games that way.  Defend me on a thread dedicated to the subject, if it comes up; I appreciate and welcome regular posters and users of this site jumping in to say that they like how things are done here.  But in this thread, let's get back to talking about how dumb the RPG.net fashionistas are.

RPGPundit

Ok, sorry about that.