Quote from: Melan;469957I do not wish to contribute to this trainwreck of a thread; however, much like walkerp, the ban of Seanchai has absolutely no justification, and flies in the face of your stated principles. He was a contentious git like most of us here, but did not "disrupt threads" any more than other users. While disruption is a useful umbrella cause in weeding out the absolute shitheads who ruin open discussion without formally breaking the rules, it also opens a possibility for the abuse of power, which in my opinion was the case here. I consider your decision to have been made on the basis of personal grudges. And even a single instance of abuse is one too many.

Therefore, I request that Seanchai's ban be reversed.

Wow, I see that the whole Swine Patrol is out, and they had to have gone to the old home to get some of the guys coming out to suddenly declare their love for Seanchai and their deep concern about this forum after untold ages of not giving a shit.

I take it that Seanchai went to cry like a girl over at the anti-pundit forums?  That's good, it'll give them a post or two over there, they desperately need them, what with my enemies being incompetent at running a successful forum.. who'd have guessed? Oh yeah, I did!

Also, if you don't want to "add to this trainwreck of a thread"; don't. Go talk about seanchai's banning on some other thread, which you are free to start.  Keep trying to turn THIS thread into the Seanchai Revenge Suicide Squad kamikaze attack, and you'll get banned.

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Apart from the sudden arrival of the waaaaambulance I'm at a loss to see the trainwrecking in this thread. I see fairly calm people expressing their opinions, some of which I may not agree with but by and large everyone coping pretty well and having a fairly decent discussion, albeit with digressions.

Quote from: GameDaddy;469959A) I'm not part of any hivemind. Never have been, Never will be.

B) Most of us here are better than RPGNet for the following reasons...

     1) We have better morale standards, know right from wrong, and act accordingly, unlike many individuals and many of the mods on that site.

Yes.

Quote2) Banning is practiced here... for stalking and personal direct attacks. Just because you can say anything you want here, doesn't mean you should.

Stalking, posting illegal material, sockpuppeting, and disrupting the forum; which includes things like intentional and ongoing thread-derailing, threadcrapping, massive trolling, etc.  Basically, going on a personal crusade (whether it be about "muslims", "the RPGPundit", "this site sucks", "Koltar", "I hate liberals", "I hate conservatives", "I think underage sex isn't bad", etc.) that means you don't give a shit about what's actually being talked about in threads, you just want to turn them to your own purpose.
Damaging the site by disruption has been the number one by far reason for banning. And in every case the person banned has been someone with an obsessive crusade about something, or someone.

 

QuoteThe Pundit does it though,and you can think of him as a tour guide, pointing out all the reckless game designers that do damage to the hobby rather than providing the gaming community as a whole benefits.

Again, well said.

QuoteIf you are deliberately trying to damage RPG gaming, you might not be welcome here.

Extremely well said.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;469970Bill didn't have to take him any other way.
And let's remember that Monk won the election just because his side stuffed more ballot boxes and committed more organized electoral fraud.

Bill understood that this was the way to the end of greatness, and the running of the world by the "lukewarm".

Why did he bother participating then, if he had won would ballot stuffing have been all fine and dandy? This is a bit threadjacky here at this stage so I'll drop it, but I will say this; Bill couldn't take Monk any other way, he knew he was intellectually, charismatically, and physically overmatched. So like an injured animal in a trap he lashed out and got lucky, barely even knowing why, holding onto his paper crown as king of that bit of flotsam until a random eddy sucked it under, unlamented and unremembered.

Monk had a much firmer grasp of the bigger picture of the world, and a need to fix it - "those who would take by birthright that which can only be gained by the decimation of a people." That's my interpretation of it anyway.

/end threadjack

I do not think there was one issue where I agreed with Seanchai; we weren't ever on good terms. I think he was a dick. Furthermore, I have no idea where, if anywhere, he has been posting. Not anywhere I have been to recently. But you were, and continue to be wrong in banning him.

Also, Swine Patrol? Me? :rotfl: Seriously. You are full of shit, Pundit. :hatsoff:

Blimey, Melan is swine now.

Get a grip Pundit. Numptys like FunTyrant who only pop up to tell us how crap we are is one thing - people who have a long history of contibuting to the breadth of discussion on the board is another. I'll leave you to decide which of those catagories people like Melan, Pseudo, Cole et al fall under.

Quote from: RPGPundit;469927Suggesting that Bill the Butcher was the villain would in essence seem to suggest that Leonardo Di Caprio was a "hero".  And I can't even write that without putting in quotation marks around it.

Bill was the only guy in the entire film that actually Got It, that understood what was happening.  That alone to me makes him, if not the "hero", then at least the real protagonist.

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I can see that. Besides, Daniel Day Lewis is much cooler than Leo...

Quote from: Claudius;469937Another thing that really gets me, is that often mods (with some exceptions) are more reasonable than the users. If it depended on them, just contradicting a member of the PC brigade would be enough to get a ban, after all, the PC brigadist was "provoked" and "baited".

I disagree. The mods are some of the worst offenders of the issue, all to often seeing things as breaking the forum rules because it goes against what they themselves believe. But to be honest about it, it's their site and we don't have to go there. Let them have their...whatever it is...and we'll have ours. Nifty.

Quote from: FunTyrant;469949I learned on RPGSite that there are a lot of misogynistic assholes around here. If you can't handle the idea of women expecting to be treated as equals, then you're the problem.

And your post is doubly funny on a forum with RPGPundit, who honestly believes that anyone with an opinion different from his or the RPGSite Hivemind is part of some conspiracy or only done for "hipster credit".

I'm not taking Pundit's side, and I never, EVER posted having a problem with women (or anyone) wanting things to be equal, it's how they want equality. Don't put words into my mouth. My problem is that screams for equality are all to often baseless bitching for no other reason than to push an agenda. And all the sweet, comfy catch-phrases only make the argument weaker. "Mysogynist" is thrown around like candy at a NAMBLA convention in an attempt to bundle any (often straight and white) male into a corral of punishment, which is such hypocrisy, as the use of the word in such a way is segregating an assumed stereotype...something feminists can't stand to happen to them.

Most people give two shits about gender, race or sexual preference. However, when somebody thinks they're some special snowflake because they have a vagina, I call bullshit. I judge a person on their character (not the gaming type, although that can be rather telling! Ha!) not on where their reproductive organs are.

Quote from: RPGPundit;469971Really? Then do you denounce the recent policy changes at RPG.net that prohibit the raising of men's issues in feminist threads, while still explicitly permitting feminists to raise up women's issues in male threads?

Will you come out and say that this policy is basically thought control?

RPGPundit

Um, what?!

Quote from: FunTyrant;469949I learned on RPGSite that there are a lot of misogynistic assholes around here. If you can't handle the idea of women expecting to be treated as equals, then you're the problem.

I ask again, why aren't feminists crying havoc about differing military physical fitness standards or beating down the door to make it the law for women to register for Selective Service? Oh, wait. It's only equality when it suits the "minority". My bad. I forgot.

Quick digest or summation:

1)Misogynists? on here?  Not likely. The last one to qualify got banned or left about two years ago.  more plausible: Yeah, there are some old fart gamers on here.

2)The Bill the Butcher & "Gangs of New York" disdcussion?  Thats actually soke good reading - but can it be moved into Pundiut's forum or media & Inspuration? Hell, a discussion of Al Swearingen from "DEADWOOD" might also work in that same discussion - When is a 'villian' not really a villian?

3) The Seanchai whining shit is getting old. He had a pattern of being argumentative, combative or overly-snarky...constantly. I didn't read every thread he posted in  - but the few I did read it was still noticeable. Others proibably saw more of a problem bvecause they saw more threads he posted in.

ACTUAL TOPIC of this thread:

Again, I don't see 'sexism' in the current version of the RPG Hobby.
 Its either tonight or next Monday that an all women players campaign starts up at our store.

- Ed C.

Quote from: jgants;469943Personally, I'm still not seeing any real sexism at all in the hobby.

So far, the only argument I've seen suggesting "sexism" all boil down to "there's some art that shows women as sexy", which is a pretty lame argument for sexism. To call that sexist is, frankly, bordering on the absurd.

The art argument is that women are shown as almost universally sexy (exceptions: villains, and only sometimes) compared with men, who are allowed to go either way.

I don't object to this from a political standpoint. I just prefer realism and variety to idealism and homogeneity. As a rule anyway.

Quote from: One Horse Town;469981Blimey, Melan is swine now.

Get a grip Pundit. Numptys like FunTyrant who only pop up to tell us how crap we are is one thing - people who have a long history of contibuting to the breadth of discussion on the board is another. I'll leave you to decide which of those catagories people like Melan, Pseudo, Cole et al fall under.

At the risk of annoying our host further by continuing this off-topic discussion, I wish to say that while I agree with OHT here about Melan and Pseudo and Cole, I will definitely not shed any tears over Seanchai getting shut down. For every decent and contributive post he ever made, he also posted blatant trolls. The dude would argue just for argument's sake alone, often taking positions that were demonstrably bullshit (as demonstrated by me on more than a few occasions). He's the only poster here I've ever considered putting on ignore, and I've watched as he goaded and derided Pundit for years at every opportunity. Anyone (even you Pseudo, despite being my RQ hero) saying the moderation here is anywhere near as bad as RPG.net is lying through their teeth and asuming the same sort of bullshit position as Seanchai has many times in the past. I don't always agree with Pundit, same as anyone here, but the fact remains that this site is the lightest in terms of moderation of any RPG sites I'm aware of, and definitely one of the lightest that exist. If it were up to me, I'd have banned Seanchai years ago. Even DeadUematsu isn't as big trolling dick, and I almost never agree with anything that guy posts.

Yeah, not gonna be any tears shed by me... good riddance.

Quote from: One Horse Town;469981Blimey, Melan is swine now.

Everybody is a Swine.