Quote from: RPGPundit;469849One thing that certainly helps feminism's cause and makes it seem like a sensible and valuable philosophy is when a site like rpg.net makes it clear that feminism demands and depends on thought control, censorship and double-standards based on gender in terms of who is permitted to be heard and who isn't, in order to thrive.

That sure makes feminism seem strong, reasonable, healthy, and like the good guys.

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I would say that has less to do with feminism and more to do with the bizarre-o culture on RPG.net.  The desire for thought control, censorship, and double-standards isn't based on gender; many folks over there want it as a general rule.

I'm consistently surprised by the outcry there for stricter, more byzantine regulations about what can be said and who can say it.  For example, here's a direct quote from the Big Purp:

QuoteRPGnet has never come close to being "overmoderated." If anything, RPGnet moderation is consistently too conservative and too willing to give extra chances to troublemakers. If moderation policy is being shaped at all by trying to avoid this (wildly inaccurate) perception I think that's a pretty significant problem.

But the people making those calls for more moderation, and the modclique tripping over themselves to grant it, are generally politically-correct hipsters desperate to show everyone how "sensitive" they are to modern feminism, gender issues, GLBT-issues, etc.; everything the PC crowd goes for.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;469852But the people making those calls for more moderation, and the modclique tripping over themselves to grant it, are generally politically-correct hipsters desperate to show everyone how "sensitive" they are to modern feminism, gender issues, GLBT-issues, etc.; everything the PC crowd goes for.

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Hmm, I had them figured as old-school masochists.

"Thank you sir may I please have another!" and all that.

Quote from: misterguignol;469854Hmm, I had them figured as old-school masochists.

"Thank you sir may I please have another!" and all that.

Internet Masochism is hardly Old-School.    

Quote from: David Johansen;469699I've long argued that a chick flick is a movie where the male characters are all idiots.

Michael Bay movies are chick-flicks?

Quote from: RPGPundit;469849One thing that certainly helps feminism's cause and makes it seem like a sensible and valuable philosophy is when a site like rpg.net makes it clear that feminism demands and depends on thought control, censorship and double-standards based on gender in terms of who is permitted to be heard and who isn't, in order to thrive.

That sure makes feminism seem strong, reasonable, healthy, and like the good guys.

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Fuck you, you hypocritical ass-scab. You have no grounds to criticise RPG.net for censorship or banning so long as Seanchai is banned. Unban him and you might have a leg to stand on.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;469861Fuck you, you hypocritical ass-scab. You have no grounds to criticise RPG.net for censorship or banning so long as Seanchai is banned. Unban him and you might have a leg to stand on.

Hmm, I see. So you don't want to address how rpg.net's recent moderation policies actually make feminism look really fucking bad?

Incidentally, I would say I do have quite a bit of leg to stand on; the fact that both rpg.net and therpgsite ban inveterate trolls who are intentionally out to disrupt threads doesn't change the fact that they also ban a shitload of other people for other reasons, and we don't. Its like saying that Canada has no right to criticize Zimbabwe's legal system because Canada and Zimbabwe both arrest arsonists.

Note that therpgsite has banned ONE person in the last 8-12 months.  
RPG.net has banned something like 11 people in the last 4 days alone.

Not to mention that I think that I get some pretty solid ground to stand on based on the fact that people can call me an ass-scab on this forum and not get banned for it; whereas on RPG.net people can't say that men are occasionally discriminated against without being censored.

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aaaaand the Kickstarter project that kicked-off (pun intended) this whole fracas has now been cancelled by the creator.

Did everyone cancel their orders? This does seem to really have blown up in the writer's face.

I'm uninterested in your specious defense, Pundit. Now unban Seanchai, you herpetic fistula.

Quote from: danbuter;469875Did everyone cancel their orders? This does seem to really have blown up in the writer's face.

I think some people may have withdrawn funding (did not know you could do that) but ultimately it looks like the game's author cancelled the project via Kickstarter.

Quote from: misterguignol;469872aaaaand the Kickstarter project that kicked-off (pun intended) this whole fracas has now been cancelled by the creator.

I was just about to post this.

Excellent news, but then, no surprise too. That is one messed up individual. Not to mention the screeching hordes of inevitable "more enlightened than thou" RPGnet fanboys. Oh, and possibly one or two fangirls - who knows!

"Neo-feminists" racking up facepalms like machines once again, and seemingly doing their damnedest to set back genuine equality (and possibly other worthy ambitions) in the process. Though it could be that they're just that ignorant, I guess.

Responding just to the title of the thread and reality:

Its not the 'RPG Hobby' that may be sexist - its individual people or sometimes small groups of people.

 Honestly, bad or tacky artwork is just bad artwork - doesn't matter what gender you are.

As for the games themselves? and game groups?

 As I've said in many threads before, over the past 10 years more and women (females, girls, ladies,) have started gaming and joined ongoing RPG groups. Hell, at the store I know of at least more than 8 regular women customers who are GMs /DMs and have been for a while.
Four years ago had a regular come in to the store to ask advice from my female co-worker bnecause she wanted to help designing her first D&D adventure and and she thought an older woman gamer would be a good mentor.

NOWadays we have enough women regulars at the store that they network a bit with each other via Facebook, visits to our store's games, and local Renn festivals.

I just don't see 'sexism' in gaming these days.
What I do see is individual people being stupid and making sexist comments from time to time.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;469880Responding just to the title of the thread and reality:

Its not the 'RPG Hobby' that may be sexist - its individual people or sometimes small groups of people.

Well, those sexist people don't exist in a vacuum though; if there is sexism in the rpg hobby it's because there is sexism in the world at large.

QuoteHonestly, bad or tacky artwork is just bad artwork - doesn't matter what gender you are.

Well, art can send a message.  If the art for a given game portrays men as capable and deadly adventurers and only portrays women as helpless incompetents in need of rescue, yeah, there is probably some sexism in that art.

Quote from: misterguignol;469882Well, art can send a message.  If the art for a given game portrays men as capable and deadly adventurers and only portrays women as helpless incompetents in need of rescue, yeah, there is probably some sexism in that art.

Mild call of bullshit on that.

Most people recognize cheesecake or 'pin-up' art as what it is. Heck, my old co-worker?  She LIKED Pin-up artwork  if it was done in a classy way. (Like 1940s-style artwork)

The young women who game these days tend to watch TV , movies or read books that have women characters that kick-ass. Heck, when a lot of these younger female gamers were 10 to 15 years old - they could watch Xena on their television kicking bad guys around weekly.

Recent women characters or actresses that 'kick-ass'  they might have watched or been inspired by ?

Trinity(Carrie Ann Moss) in the MATRIX movies

Kara Thrace/Starbuck (Katee Sackhoff) on the modern BATTLESTAR GALACTICA

Beckett (Kana Stanic) on the show "Castle"

Zoe Washburn(Gina Torres)  on "Firefly"

River Tam (Summer Glau) on 'Firefly'/SERENITY

Buffy Summers

Faith on "Buffy:TVS" /ANGEL

Echo on "DOLLHOUSE"

Cameron/SummerGlau on "TERMINATOR: the Sara Connor Chronicles"

Ripley/Siogourney Weaver in most of the ALIEN/ALIENS movies

Both characters played by Zoe Saldana and Michelle Rodriguez in the movie "AVATAR"

Sarah MacKenzie (CVatherine Bell) on the show "JAG"

Ziva David (Cote DePablo) on "NCIS".
- Hell, I remember a gamer at the store saying she wanted her character to be the Ziva David of the D&D world she was about to play in. The DM said "Okay, we can try for that."

Mila Jovavich in two-thirds of her movies plays characters that kick-ass while holding a weapon.

Only trend I notice is not so much 'Fantasy', more women fighter or equal ability characters in Sci Fi or contemprary setting shows.  But that still inspires young women seeing women as tough characters that they could base their character on.

- Ed C.