Being concerned by racism =/= agonising over lack of people of that demographic.

Quote from: beejazz;469457............... on top of that we get professor McGonnagal(sic?) (she gets to play mentor a little before Dumbledore takes the role) and Dolores Umbrige.

Also, you just KNOW that McGonagall was sexy when she was younger - based on the personality and past of that actress. She's got style galore. We DID see an adult or college age female wizard in the movies - Nymphadora Tonks. (Just don't call her Nymphadora, she prefers 'Tonks') She manages to be sexy while be fairly covered up in her scenes. Its all in the face and her expressions and body language.

Maggie Smith/McGonagall, younger was known for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prime_of_Miss_Jean_Brodie_(film)
Pic from when she was younger:
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/celebs/images2/M/maggiesmith.jpg

Nympadora Tonks/Natalia Tena:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena

By-the-way, Ms. Tena also had a small part in "Game of Thrones" for several episodes.


- Ed C.

Quote from: one horse town;469497that's because the vast majority of posters here actually play rpgs and also know some women.

hey oh!

Quote from: GRIM;469501Being concerned by racism =/= agonising over lack of people of that demographic.

Huh

Thats not really an issue locally.

Plenty of gamers of all shades and orientations.

As for race?
 They all appear to be human.

- Ed C.

Quote from: jibbajibba;469484But don;t you secretly think Burkhas are quite sexy

I mean I prefer a chick in a burkha than a fat ugly chick in a bikini any day. I mean there is always a chance the girl in the burha is dressed like a victoria secrets model underneath

And there's an exponentially greater chance you've got a pig-in-a-poke.

Quote from: RPGPundit;469452This made me laugh out loud. "ENWorld: Where defying moderator policy is worse than mass rape".

RPGPundit

Pointing out that a poster is lying -and proving it- is even worse on that site.

As far as the actual subject of the thread is concerned, I look at it this way:

Most RPGs are sexist for the simple reason that most of society is sexist to one degree or another. FRPGs are even more so because the source material that inspires them is almost always sexist and quite a bit is outright misogynist, too. The myths and folklore, literature, comic books and movies that inspired the Gary Gygaxes were all very sexist. Women were either part of the heroes' spoils, annoying wives and mothers, or witches. Add to that the fact that most sci-fi/fantasy has always been geared towards pre-adolescent boys, most of whom had little interest in females at all except as eye candy and you've got a genre that is going to be a Boys Club where the few females are outliers (just as Leigh Brackett's science fiction and fantasy is the exception that proves the rule). The fact that four years after D&D was created, Princess Leia was considered a big step forward for female characters in sci-fi/fantasy should tell you all you need to know.

Another important factor is that for a number of male players (myself included), Gaming Night is what Poker Night or Pool Night was for men of my dad's generation -a chance to get out and hang around with The Guys: drinking, smoking cigars, telling dirty jokes, talking about work or cars or current events or pussy. Needless to say, most women want nothing to do with this kind of thing except maybe as a curiosity, and aren't really wanted in such a setting anyway.

Wondering why women are a distinct minority among gamers is like asking why men are so scarce at baby showers.

Quote from: Elfdart;469523Wondering why women are a distinct minority among gamers is like asking why men are so scarce at baby showers.

As a culture, we seem to be evolving toward men and women both attending baby showers.

I just wanted to note my own observation:

No chickbabes have contributed to this thread.

Also, I don't think the hobby is sexist. Considering sex rarely ever factors in to character creation for most RPGs are completely un-sexist because gender is a non-issue for a majority of games.

My god, I'm...I'm home.

Rational discussion of sexism in RPGs?  For real?  And hey, there's John H. Kim upthread!  Man, I haven't seen you since rgf.misc in 1997.  How are you doing, John?

So, uh - hi.  I'm another - well, not RPG.net refugee because I hardly post there and have never so much as caught a mod's jaundiced eye, but the Kynn Bartlett threads were what drive me out of the board entirely.

And then someone mentioned therpgsite.com.  And this thread.  And look, practically the first followup post is someone pointing out that perhaps the reason there aren't so many women in this hobby is that they'd just kind of rather be doing something else, and that's okay.  What I've been debating posting on rpg.net for a week and was afraid to for fear of being accused of "othering" someone (what does that even mean?)

So thanks, RPGPundit.  Thanks for creating this forum and sticking with it and growing it to the size and visibility it has, so that grownups can have casual discussions of their hobby without the hormonal adolescents stamping through the parlour raging about how no one understands their pain.  I know you didn't do it for me, specifically, but thanks anyway.

Oh yeah, and on-topic-ness: something that I think tends to get lost in all the cheesecake art debate is the fact that men and women just aren't the same in terms of what they find attractive on an instinctive, biological level.  Men see women as sex objects; women see men as success objects.    A half-naked Conan is not the same thing as a half-naked Red Sonja because the women aren't going to react to the image on the basis of its state of dishabille; they're going to react to it on the basis of how powerful and successful it implies Conan is.

Same thing with women complaining about female subjects making direct eye contact with the viewer vs. the males never doing so.  Direct sustained eye contact between human males implies either lust or a challenge ("I want to fight you or **** you").  To the average male or female viewer, both of those are going to be slightly uncomfortable.    Women, on the other hand, communicate face-to-face and with sustained eye contact all the time.  It has a different connotation between women, and between a women and a men.  An artist who wants to create an "attractive" portrait and isn't particularly  thinking about this effect is going to default to men looking away from the viewer, and women looking towards.

I'm not saying this is the way it must be, just that this is the way our brains are hardwired to work by default.

You thought the initial barrage was bad WELCOME TO THE FUCKING CRAZY TRAIN!

This is the only forum where there's been anything close to reasonable discussion of this topic.

I just read this blog post after Fred Hicks shared it on Google+.

Fucking Crazy Train indeed...

Quote from: Ian Warner;469639You thought the initial barrage was bad WELCOME TO THE FUCKING CRAZY TRAIN!

That link leads me to a message that i'm unauthorised to view it.

Quote from: Stuart;469642This is the only forum where there's been anything close to reasonable discussion of this topic.

I just read this blog post after Fred Hicks shared it on Google+.

Fucking Crazy Train indeed...

Ho. Ly. Fuck.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;469649Ho. Ly. Fuck.

Summary?

Quote from: One Horse Town;469646That link leads me to a message that i'm unauthorised to view it.

I looked at it earlier today, but now it's blocked.

Quote from: One Horse Town;469650Summary?

ehh. Where to begin. According to that blog, apparently the transgender writer behind that strange feminist game that everybody is screaming and yelling over, over at the big purple, raped another trans man... at a feminist science fiction convention! I couldn't make this shit up, even if I took drugs and tried.