Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 04:04:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 02:15:39 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 12:40:26 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 24, 2022, 08:41:06 PM

Quote from: Omega on March 24, 2022, 08:10:38 PM
Eh, we do not know that yet and odds are WOTC is being deceptive again in some manner.

The very adventures set in the city show its not all sparkles and rainbows. The mask slips before its even out the gate.

They want people to bitch about it.

Outrage Marketing? Well, WotC drones do have a tendency to buy anything they make, regardless of how craptastic it is.

Hmmm, do you think that Mongoose is doing the same thing with Shield Maidens?

Is outrage marketing the new thing in game advertising?

I think they just like tweaking the alt-right in the same manner the alt-right likes tweaking the SJWs.

Impliying that anyone who doesn't like the turd sandwhich is part of the Alt-Right...

No you just made a false inference. They are DOING IT to piss off the alt-right. That it also pisses off others who are not part of the alt-right isn't their aim. They might enjoy that as a side effect or might not, but I think their aim is to piss off the alt-right.

Okay then, you're still wrong, they do it to inject their ideology or destroy the vehicle. Any of those is a win for them.

Quote from: Omega on March 27, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
If anything WOTC has so far put out LESS than TSR ever did. Possibly 90% or more is done by other groups they allow to or license to.
TSR had colouring books, colourforms, kids books, toys, action figures, freaking D&D candy! What does WOTC have that isnt made by someone else? A few PDF colouring books and maybe a kids book set?

"Lifestyle" has no meaning. It is just another trendy buzzword to chirp.

  Most of the non-game stuff from the 80s was licensed out as well. I think WotC wants to make D&D a "lifestyle brand," but while they've been pushing that way, the intermediate step is "multimedia franchise," which they haven't pulled off yet. We'll see how the movie turns out.

 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
losing a religion because you realize you can no longer believe in it.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. When a company no longer delivers what you want or expect then it's time to drop them like a hot iron.

My point is that it can be painful, so people are reluctant to do it.

That said, I do think they're headed for a crisis when the D&D fad, and the broader fantasy fad, passes. It's been over a decade now since GoT kicked it off, so I doubt it's going to be more than about three or four more years. After that, I expect D&D's sales to go into free fall.

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 04:51:54 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
losing a religion because you realize you can no longer believe in it.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. When a company no longer delivers what you want or expect then it's time to drop them like a hot iron.

My point is that it can be painful, so people are reluctant to do it.

That said, I do think they're headed for a crisis when the D&D fad, and the broader fantasy fad, passes. It's been over a decade now since GoT kicked it off, so I doubt it's going to be more than about three or four more years. After that, I expect D&D's sales to go into free fall.

Nah, the pain comes from refusing to accept said corporation doesn't want you as a customer and what's more they hate you.

Once I reached that conclusion dropping my decades long habit of collecting/reading American comics was a piece of cake.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:55:33 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 04:51:54 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
losing a religion because you realize you can no longer believe in it.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. When a company no longer delivers what you want or expect then it's time to drop them like a hot iron.

My point is that it can be painful, so people are reluctant to do it.

That said, I do think they're headed for a crisis when the D&D fad, and the broader fantasy fad, passes. It's been over a decade now since GoT kicked it off, so I doubt it's going to be more than about three or four more years. After that, I expect D&D's sales to go into free fall.

Nah, the pain comes from refusing to accept said corporation doesn't want you as a customer and what's more they hate you.

Once I reached that conclusion dropping my decades long habit of collecting/reading American comics was a piece of cake.

Aren't you a devout Catholic, though? That could be why a brand never took on that role for you. If you're already in Detroit, you don't need to take a bus to get there.

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 05:26:54 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:55:33 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 04:51:54 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: Cat the Bounty Smuggler on March 27, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
losing a religion because you realize you can no longer believe in it.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. When a company no longer delivers what you want or expect then it's time to drop them like a hot iron.

My point is that it can be painful, so people are reluctant to do it.

That said, I do think they're headed for a crisis when the D&D fad, and the broader fantasy fad, passes. It's been over a decade now since GoT kicked it off, so I doubt it's going to be more than about three or four more years. After that, I expect D&D's sales to go into free fall.

Nah, the pain comes from refusing to accept said corporation doesn't want you as a customer and what's more they hate you.

Once I reached that conclusion dropping my decades long habit of collecting/reading American comics was a piece of cake.

Aren't you a devout Catholic, though? That could be why a brand never took on that role for you. If you're already in Detroit, you don't need to take a bus to get there.

Nope, grew as a Catholic, became an Atheist after leaving Catholicism and becoming an ordained Christian Priest. That I found my faith again is irrelevant since I droped comics before that.

I would liken it to an abusive relationship, where you're the victim and keep going back to your spouse and making excuses for them. It resembles that, not a religion.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 04:03:03 PM
I agree. The alt-right (for lack of a better term) is newer at this than the progressive crowd.  Rush used to do it a bit, but really Ben Shapiro really led the charge on it for the right.

I think it was around 2009-10 that I first saw a right-wing person being mean to the Left, the way the Left had been doing to the Right for decades. It was Ann Coulter. I guess "don't let's be beastly to the Lefties" is a marker for being "Right but not Alt-Right"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wveW9Tw2JKE

Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 04:01:09 PM
Do you disagree, or are you just going to dodge that question again?

So, you are trolling me again? I'm on to your tricks, WotC Defender....

Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 04:04:47 PM
They are DOING IT to piss off the alt-right. That it also pisses off others who are not part of the alt-right isn't their aim. They might enjoy that as a side effect or might not, but I think their aim is to piss off the alt-right.

By your inference, anyone who is irked by their baiting bullshit is an alt-right....

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 27, 2022, 04:11:55 PM

Quote from: Omega on March 27, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
If anything WOTC has so far put out LESS than TSR ever did. Possibly 90% or more is done by other groups they allow to or license to.
TSR had colouring books, colourforms, kids books, toys, action figures, freaking D&D candy! What does WOTC have that isnt made by someone else? A few PDF colouring books and maybe a kids book set?

"Lifestyle" has no meaning. It is just another trendy buzzword to chirp.

  Most of the non-game stuff from the 80s was licensed out as well. I think WotC wants to make D&D a "lifestyle brand," but while they've been pushing that way, the intermediate step is "multimedia franchise," which they haven't pulled off yet. We'll see how the movie turns out.

True. But WOTC can barely find their own asses let alone make a "lifestyle". Its just a trendy marketing word to them. Mearls was chirping these left and right during the playtest and launch of 5e. None of it ever had any meaning. But it sure gets people riled up over nothing.

TSR was on the shelves of convenience stores, shops, you name it. WOTCs D&D isnt event a tenth that. So far I've seen Essentials and Basic on the shelves and that it. Barnes & Nobles carried for a while the plush dice bags that were made by some other group licensed to WOTC. And that just short of it. WOTC D&D has no presence.

As for the movie. Odds are its going to be worse than the Solomon one. (who has his name attached to the upcomming one) Which actually was not all that bad. Just not quite D&D enough. The 2nd one that did not have his involvement, but had to license from him permission, was so far the mode D&D of the set and got a fair amount done with the smaller budget.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 27, 2022, 07:10:14 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2022, 04:04:47 PM
They are DOING IT to piss off the alt-right. That it also pisses off others who are not part of the alt-right isn't their aim. They might enjoy that as a side effect or might not, but I think their aim is to piss off the alt-right.

By your inference, anyone who is irked by their baiting bullshit is an alt-right....

  I am not certain that is his inference, but since he mentions Crawford by name, I am pretty sure Crawford would call anyone who did not vote for Biden alt right.

It's funny, the idea that "shield maidens" are somehow a conservative symbol, given that the very concept of "shield maidens" is a historically dubious idea that got pushed into this narrative of "there were entire batallions of shield maidens in every viking army" by feminist academics.

Were there some women who fought with viking men? Almost certainly. But there's very little proof that they were anything but rare, and mostly existed only in folk tales and mythology. There's no evidence that women were regularly warriors.

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 27, 2022, 10:23:46 PM
It's funny, the idea that "shield maidens" are somehow a conservative symbol, given that the very concept of "shield maidens" is a historically dubious idea that got pushed into this narrative of "there were entire batallions of shield maidens in every viking army" by feminist academics.

Were there some women who fought with viking men? Almost certainly. But there's very little proof that they were anything but rare, and mostly existed only in folk tales and mythology. There's no evidence that women were regularly warriors.

The proof is that when there were women warriors people noticed and wrote/told about it. Because it was so fucking rare, except in sieges, the loosing city womenfolk commonly fought off the invaders, because they were in a siege and couldn't escape.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 10:26:40 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 27, 2022, 10:23:46 PM
It's funny, the idea that "shield maidens" are somehow a conservative symbol, given that the very concept of "shield maidens" is a historically dubious idea that got pushed into this narrative of "there were entire batallions of shield maidens in every viking army" by feminist academics.

Were there some women who fought with viking men? Almost certainly. But there's very little proof that they were anything but rare, and mostly existed only in folk tales and mythology. There's no evidence that women were regularly warriors.

The proof is that when there were women warriors people noticed and wrote/told about it. Because it was so fucking rare, except in sieges, the loosing city womenfolk commonly fought off the invaders, because they were in a siege and couldn't escape.

Desperation can inspire greatness, though it's not exactly the sort of thing you want to rely on.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 28, 2022, 08:31:07 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 10:26:40 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 27, 2022, 10:23:46 PM
It's funny, the idea that "shield maidens" are somehow a conservative symbol, given that the very concept of "shield maidens" is a historically dubious idea that got pushed into this narrative of "there were entire batallions of shield maidens in every viking army" by feminist academics.

Were there some women who fought with viking men? Almost certainly. But there's very little proof that they were anything but rare, and mostly existed only in folk tales and mythology. There's no evidence that women were regularly warriors.

The proof is that when there were women warriors people noticed and wrote/told about it. Because it was so fucking rare, except in sieges, the loosing city womenfolk commonly fought off the invaders, because they were in a siege and couldn't escape.

Desperation can inspire greatness, though it's not exactly the sort of thing you want to rely on.

True, though, the case could be made that Norse culture allowed women to train with weapons, which made them more capable of fending off attacks, even if they weren't primary warriors.