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Journeys Through the Radiant Citadel *SIGH*

Started by AnthonyRoberson, March 22, 2022, 10:17:19 AM

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GeekyBugle

#90
March 23, 2022, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on March 23, 2022, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 22, 2022, 05:16:49 PM
If it were not being used as yet another hateful agenda platform. It would be a pretty good setting.

Think about it.

How many cities in and out of D&D are actually safe to just walk around and interact in without some maniac crawling out of the woodwork to kill you? Or rob you? Or trick you? No political intrigue even?

That sounds great and is exactly the sort of place I drop into my own campaigns and is the default setting for an upcoming book. The other default setting being the diametric opposite of peaceful and safe.  8)

But nooooo. We cant just have a nice setting area. No. They have to turn it into another agenda platform.

It's a hub, it has magic stones that are portals to the other worlds of D&D...

How the actual fuck is it totally free of ANY conflict/bad actor?

Even assuming that HASHTAG Not All (insert your monster here) are evil, there are SOME that are most deffinetelly evil, so...

How is it that not a single bad actor ever goes there? How come that there's not a single thief, conman, etc there?

What you see as a nice and safe environment stinks of fascist government to me.

And it should be obvious to the leftards writting it: You'd need guards in every point of entry on the other worlds, reading the minds, detecting alignment, etc and preventing said bad actors to ever crossing, you would also need to cull anyone born there that doesn't fall in the approved parameters of the government. Before they ever commit any crime, think pre-crime but worst and on a global scale.

Either that or you are exerting mind control over anyone who crosses/is born there.

Like ALL Utopias, once you scratch the surface it reveals itself as a Dystopia.

This did briefly cross my mind, and now I feel like an idiot for not pointing it out or going through it further in my head. I guess I just wasn't talking it seriously enough. But I doubt there's anything fascistic or nefarious about it. They're just too stupid to think about it deeply either, and figure that such a place could simply exist on their say so, cuz elf games!

I deeply suspect that once this book comes out if you examine it further with a fine tooth comb, you will find nothing more nefarious in it than a poorly thought-out vacuous landscape of a hub, with no rime or reason behind it beyond, "It's FANTASY! Anything can exist!" And if any of this miraculously gets addressed at all it will come with a heavy dose of magic and scout's honor from anyone who comes in. Cuz why would anyone want to cause trouble in such a nice place?

Trust me, I don't think the leftards even realized that the only way their Utopia cuold exist is with a strong man dictator with an iron hand in a very thin velvet glove fascist.

Doesn't mean my analysis isn't spot on IMHO. There's no way this place could ever exist without some type of fascist magic involved.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

#91
March 23, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on March 23, 2022, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
It's a hub, it has magic stones that are portals to the other worlds of D&D...

How the actual fuck is it totally free of ANY conflict/bad actor?

Even assuming that HASHTAG Not All (insert your monster here) are evil, there are SOME that are most deffinetelly evil, so...

How is it that not a single bad actor ever goes there? How come that there's not a single thief, conman, etc there?

What you see as a nice and safe environment stinks of fascist government to me.

And it should be obvious to the leftards writting it: You'd need guards in every point of entry on the other worlds, reading the minds, detecting alignment, etc and preventing said bad actors to ever crossing, you would also need to cull anyone born there that doesn't fall in the approved parameters of the government. Before they ever commit any crime, think pre-crime but worst and on a global scale.

Either that or you are exerting mind control over anyone who crosses/is born there.

Like ALL Utopias, once you scratch the surface it reveals itself as a Dystopia.

Sigh, yep, this. Apparently, the creators of this book have a greater belief in the benevolence of mankin....er race....er species than I do.

"We like to call it sentientkind"  8)
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Omega

#92
March 23, 2022, 05:07:08 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 23, 2022, 04:23:25 PM
That is very interesting. I never knew Kobold was behind it.

QuoteCredits
Kobold Press
Designers: Wolfgang Baur, Steve Winter
Editor: Miranda Horner
Interior Illustrators: Aaron Hubrich, Tyler Jacobson,
Guido Kuip, Marcel Mercado, Bryan Syme
Cartographer: Jared Blando
Art Director: Marc Radle
Producer: Wolfgang Baur

If I recall right Kobold did the writing, art, etc. WOTC did the printing and distribution.

I am pretty sure one or two other books were outsourced as well. Princes of the Apocalypse lists Sasquatch for that one. Out of the Abyss was Green Ronin. Those are the only three I know of so far.

Not counting books based on, and I believe written by, other peoples works like Acquisitions and Wildermont.

Thorn Drumheller

#93
March 23, 2022, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
"We like to call it sentientkind"  8)

LOL
Member in good standing of COSM.

Omega

#94
March 23, 2022, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 04:54:54 PM
The fast way?  8)

The Pegataur centaur/pegasus hybrids, Harpies, Nagpa and Sphynxs can just kinda futter down. The tabaxi of course always land on their feet, and the Gnomes... Well... They do enough crashing on their own. Probably not helped by all those Gremlin mechanics.  8)

Omega

#95
March 23, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on March 23, 2022, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
"We like to call it sentientkind"  8)

LOL

If there is not an attack helicopter that identifies as pixie I am just not buying this book!  :'(

jhkim

#96
March 23, 2022, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on March 23, 2022, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
It's a hub, it has magic stones that are portals to the other worlds of D&D...

How the actual fuck is it totally free of ANY conflict/bad actor?

Even assuming that HASHTAG Not All (insert your monster here) are evil, there are SOME that are most deffinetelly evil, so...

How is it that not a single bad actor ever goes there? How come that there's not a single thief, conman, etc there?

Sigh, yep, this. Apparently, the creators of this book have a greater belief in the benevolence of mankin....er race....er species than I do.

That's just the least of it. Apparently, the creators of this book believe in elves, gnomes, and the Ethereal Plane as well. They're just fucking insane.

GeekyBugle

#97
March 23, 2022, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 23, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on March 23, 2022, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
"We like to call it sentientkind"  8)

LOL

If there is not an attack helicopter that identifies as pixie I am just not buying this book!  :'(

AND a Gay Prom in High School.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ghostmaker

#98
March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

Shasarak

#99
March 23, 2022, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

If you are on the Planes there are a lot worse places you can end up that would make Athas look like happy fun land.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

VisionStorm

#100
March 24, 2022, 12:17:08 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 23, 2022, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

If you are on the Planes there are a lot worse places you can end up that would make Athas look like happy fun land.

You mean like Toril and Oerth? Cuz Athas sounds like a lot more fun than either of those two places.  8)

Omega

#101
March 24, 2022, 02:36:24 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

If they were following Athas' setting rules then it should not be accessible. Even demon summoning was supposed to be hard if recall right.

AtomicPope

#102
March 24, 2022, 02:50:55 AM
Quote from: Omega on March 24, 2022, 02:36:24 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

If they were following Athas' setting rules then it should not be accessible. Even demon summoning was supposed to be hard if recall right.

I was just about to say this but got thread ninja'd.

There is a zone surrounding Athas called "The Gray", which prevented travel.  You couldn't use a Spelljammer to get there, nor could you use Astral or Planar travel.

Ratman_tf

#103
March 24, 2022, 03:56:43 AM
Quote from: AtomicPope on March 24, 2022, 02:50:55 AM
Quote from: Omega on March 24, 2022, 02:36:24 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 23, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
'portals to other D&D worlds'

Three words: 'Welcome to Athas'.

WHY.

It's not so much the 'inter-setting crossover' that bugs me. It's the tacit idea that oh no, nothing bad could come of this.

If they were following Athas' setting rules then it should not be accessible. Even demon summoning was supposed to be hard if recall right.

I was just about to say this but got thread ninja'd.

There is a zone surrounding Athas called "The Gray", which prevented travel.  You couldn't use a Spelljammer to get there, nor could you use Astral or Planar travel.

It was portrayed as rare and difficult. I imagine because frequent (relative term) planar travel to Athas would disrupt some of the setting elements.
But not impossible.
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-Haffrung

Spinachcat

#104
March 24, 2022, 04:41:59 AM
Quote from: AnthonyRoberson on March 22, 2022, 10:17:19 AM
One of the adventures is called "Written in Blood" that is "Based on the black experience in the Southern US".

So all the PCs are orcs?
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