Joseph Goodman's analysis of the state of 4e

S'mon · June 22, 2009, 06:45:14 PM

Quote from: Windjammer;309815You just have to log out. Then you can view everything. I recall when I got my first thread-ban on Enworld. Everytime I read that topic and logged on while doing so I got kicked out. Solution? Just don't logon (and delete cookies to prevent auto-logging in).

OK, thanks. Deleting cookies did it.

S'mon · June 22, 2009, 06:55:48 PM

So, I've just now accessed the ENW thread. Who is this Xath mod-person who banned me? I've been posting at ENW 8+ years and I've never even heard of them!

Zachary The First · June 23, 2009, 12:34:36 AM

Quote from: S'mon;309820So, I've just now accessed the ENW thread. Who is this Xath mod-person who banned me? I've been posting at ENW 8+ years and I've never even heard of them!

That's the screen name of Gertie, one of the ENnies judges/inner circle from the past couple of years, I believe. I didn't know she was a mod, too.

Settembrini · June 23, 2009, 01:32:22 AM

QuoteWho is this Xath mod-person who banned me? I've been posting at ENW 8+ years and I've never even heard of them!

As I said upthread:

Quote from: Settembrini;309761T
What I really don´t like is Circus Maximus and it´s effects on the clique process on ENWorld. That´s pretty lame, especially Re: ENnies.

Pseudoephedrine · June 23, 2009, 03:06:36 AM

The Circus Maximus guys are kind of a bunch of douchebags. I met seven or so of them at Giant Space Telescope Con, and crashed my car with two of them in it while driving home (lost traction on a gravel road on a curve). I was apologetic and drove them home 500km rather than get the car towed to the nearest shop. Rather than say anything to my face, everyone jumped online and started bitching and moaning and claiming they'd seen it coming and just generally sniping at me behind my back. If I hadn't stepped into the forum to check it out, I'd never've heard a word about it (they didn't even mention it on facebook).

Also, I wasn't too wowed by the quality and style of their roleplaying.

In short: Fvck Circvs Maximvs.

S'mon · June 23, 2009, 03:55:42 AM

Quote from: Zachary The First;309868That's the screen name of Gertie, one of the ENnies judges/inner circle from the past couple of years, I believe. I didn't know she was a mod, too.

Thanks - I'm reassured anyway that it wasn't actually Piratecat who banned me or the others (except the one guy being a dick, who arguably deserved it) but some woman with a 2004 join date who doesn't even post regularly but happens to be in some clique I'd never heard of either. Among the EN mods, Plane Sailing could be a bit of a mod-Nazi but most of them have always been very good, including Piratecat, Henry, Eridanis I think. I guess the occasional bad apple is inevitable.

Settembrini · June 23, 2009, 04:00:14 AM

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;309881The Circus Maximus guys are kind of a bunch of douchebags. I met seven or so of them at Giant Space Telescope Con, and crashed my car with two of them in it while driving home (lost traction on a gravel road on a curve). I was apologetic and drove them home 500km rather than get the car towed to the nearest shop. Rather than say anything to my face, everyone jumped online and started bitching and moaning and claiming they'd seen it coming and just generally sniping at me behind my back. If I hadn't stepped into the forum to check it out, I'd never've heard a word about it (they didn't even mention it on facebook).

Also, I wasn't too wowed by the quality and style of their roleplaying.

emphasis added. I´m stunned, and amazed. Seems there´s something really rotten going on there.

Melan · June 23, 2009, 04:00:22 AM

Quote from: StormBringer;309759Start with tBP, strip out all the passive-aggressive, double the number of precious snowflakes, and you have the sandy-vagina sycophantia that is ENWorld.

I would say that, barring the current fiasco, ENWorld's moderation is quite a lot better than RPGNet, even though it is also a tightly controlled place. What they don't have is the tenor of passive-aggressive I-can-do-it-and-you-can't smugness, and that helps tremendously. The level of debate is also higher, although sometimes lacking that special something only a good flamewar or two can provide. All in all, I disagree with your evaluation.

CM is sometimes interesting, but way too often so tied up in almost ten years old personal networks and infighting that it is almost incestous. It is very hard to become a regular there.

S'mon · June 23, 2009, 04:06:45 AM

Quote from: Settembrini;309887emphasis added. I´m stunned, and amazed. Seems there´s something really rotten going on there.

Well they could have spent the 500 km scared stiff you were going to crash again, and too terrified to say anything...

Monkey Boy · June 23, 2009, 05:28:38 AM

I think I get why Goodman went of on his crazy sounding rant. It was some positive spin for the LGS. His denying their obsolescence is due to them buying his product and paying his bills.

Behold he continues to pump up LGS in the thread here http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/258063-tell-me-about-your-favorite-game-store.html

And good on him for giving the struggling gaming stores some props. I still visit mine in the city each week hoping for some new product. I don't think they will last but good on Goodman for giving them a shout out.

S'mon · June 23, 2009, 06:22:19 AM

Quote from: Melan;309888I would say that, barring the current fiasco, ENWorld's moderation is quite a lot better than RPGNet, even though it is also a tightly controlled place. What they don't have is the tenor of passive-aggressive I-can-do-it-and-you-can't smugness, and that helps tremendously. The level of debate is also higher, although sometimes lacking that special something only a good flamewar or two can provide. All in all, I disagree with your evaluation.

Yes, I agree. On ENW I rarely get the rpgnet experience where some dick with approved opinions wheedles me, I respond fairly politely, then the mods threaten me with suspension. rpgnet mods enforce a stifling political left-wing orthodoxy, whereas ENW mods are fairly consistent in enforcing 'no politics'.

But what happened on ENW on Sunday with Xath was even worse than anything I can recall on rpgnet.

mhensley · June 23, 2009, 10:13:03 AM

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;309881The Circus Maximus guys are kind of a bunch of douchebags.

CM is to Enworld as therpgsite is to rpg.net.

StormBringer · June 23, 2009, 10:24:38 AM

Quote from: Melan;309888I would say that, barring the current fiasco, ENWorld's moderation is quite a lot better than RPGNet, even though it is also a tightly controlled place. What they don't have is the tenor of passive-aggressive I-can-do-it-and-you-can't smugness, and that helps tremendously. The level of debate is also higher, although sometimes lacking that special something only a good flamewar or two can provide. All in all, I disagree with your evaluation.

No you didn't. You agreed the passive-aggressiveness is diminished, and your assessment of the level of discourse sounds like you are amplifying the idea they are 'precious snowflakes', as in "we don't bicker around here, we are better than that".

Aos · June 23, 2009, 10:38:19 AM

Quote from: Melan;309888CM is sometimes interesting, but way too often so tied up in almost ten years old personal networks and infighting that it is almost incestous. It is very hard to become a regular there.

My exact impression. I posted at Nothingland during its last couple of incarnations; most of the poster from that sight seem to have gone CM. I did not; I never felt cool enough, but I still get the Birthday message every year.

StormBringer · June 23, 2009, 10:57:55 AM

Quote from: Aos;309932My exact impression. I posted at Nothingland during its last couple of incarnations; most of the poster from that sight seem to have gone CM. I did not; I never felt cool enough, but I still get the Birthday message every year.

Well, you are cool enough for us.