Quote from: Aos;309756Was it a permaban?

Oh no, that'd be ridiculous.  A 3-day ban.   I did get one of those once before: I had just read through 16 pages of Hussar calling GMs who GM'd like me 'asshats', and ultimately posted something like "We think you're an asshat too' - so it was a fair cop, guv'nor, I didn't mind the ban.  But this time I really didn't do anything - the guy, whose name escapes me, was sounding off at everyone he thought was disrespecting 4e, but I made the conscious decision not to say anything even mildly snarky back at him as I didn't want to risk a ban.  Then I log on a while later and... I've been banned:

You have been banned for the following reason:
Behavior in Goodman thread. You ignored repeated warnings.

Date the ban will be lifted: 24th June 2009, 02:00 PM

I'm just really bemused because I haven't seen anything like this before from ENW.  It seems almost worse than rpg.net modding.  

Edit: Also, being banned, I can't contact the mods for clarification, though I did email Morrus as that was the one thing you can do from the 'ban' page.

Start with tBP, strip out all the passive-aggressive, double the number of precious snowflakes, and you have the sandy-vagina sycophantia that is ENWorld.

StormBringer stopped even reading there about a year ago.

This place is ENWorld (related) in a way, so there you go.

What I really don´t like is Circus Maximus and it´s effects on the clique process on ENWorld. That´s pretty lame, especially Re: ENnies.

I wonder why no one talks about the ENNIEs this year. Did I miss something?

For the love of all that is holy, I do not want to hear another fucking whinge about free speech.

Quote from: LordVreeg;309741Quite.  Identify a need, fill it.  
And good for them, if they are making money at it.  

Is Goodman Games making money? The owner himself admits the company is just a side-hobby. It doesn't sound like uses (or needs) the company to earn a living.  Maybe Goodman just breaks even.

Which is perfectly fine. I just wouldn't go around holding up Goodman Games as a successful business model, when we have no idea if it is even profitable.

Quote from: S'mon;309751Yesterday I got banned from ENW, apparently for posting on the Goodman thread that I wasn't going to respond to another poster's childish insults.  I didn't even say 'childish insults' or anything.  I just quoted his 'grow a spine' line. :\  The standard of modding on ENW is usually very high compared to rpgnet so I don't really understand what happened.

 After removing the post that go reposted on Joethelawyer's blog page, and banning a number of people quite needlessly (not just you - my favourite being the one who just wrote "MHUAHAHAHAHAHA!"), they basically removed entire portions of thread AS SUCH.*

Check the dead link in the OP here.

So don't take it personally - EnWorld has currently lost its sense of proportion.

* Which were there formerly. I also thought the thread itself was gone - it's not:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/257927-goodman-rebuttal.html

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Quote from:  LordVreegQuite. Identify a need, fill it.
And good for them, if they are making money at it.

Is Goodman Games making money? The owner himself admits the company is just a side-hobby. It doesn't sound like uses (or needs) the company to earn a living. Maybe Goodman just breaks even.

Which is perfectly fine. I just wouldn't go around holding up Goodman Games as a successful business model, when we have no idea if it is even profitable

Correct.  The lack of concrete data in general in the OP was one of my issues.

My other issues are why this and the spin were necessary, and why Goodman's reasoning for the success of certain editions does not include anything to do with the quality of the systems themselves.  

As in, maybe edition 'X' sold really well partially because it was perceived as a great game, not just due to external factors.  Maybe 2001 was a 'once in a gaming generation' success because the game that was released compared really well against what was out in the field at the time.

But I will be the first to say (again) that I am happy when anyone makes money in this field, and that I'll be looking forward to his next posting.  I certainly found it interesting.

Quote from: StormBringer;309762For the love of all that is holy, I do not want to hear another fucking whinge about free speech.

They can delete our posts, they can ban our accounts, but they can never take OUR FREEDOM!!!!

Quote from: LordVreeg;309787As in, maybe edition 'X' sold really well partially because it was perceived as a great game, not just due to external factors.  Maybe 2001 was a 'once in a gaming generation' success because the game that was released compared really well against what was out in the field at the time.

That's the catch. There was no commercially supported version of D&D when 3E was released. Basically, 3E never had something like 3E to contend with when it arrived. Just by comparison, suppose no d20 product of the 3E-era was supported right now, no Pathfinder or anything else, and that all of a sudden 4E folds up. No D&D. And then Paizo steps onto the scene, proclaiming they are saving D&D from complete bankruptcy. Can you picture the scale on which people would jump aboard?

In 2000, there was exactly one option you could choose if you wanted a commercially supported edition of D&D.

Btw, I think Monte Cook would be way more vocal of attributing the success of "his" edition to his own design genius, if he saw fit to do so. But, as I pointed out upthread, he doesn't see fit to do so.

Quote from: StormBringer;309759Start with tBP, strip out all the passive-aggressive, double the number of precious snowflakes, and you have the sandy-vagina sycophantia that is ENWorld.

StormBringer stopped even reading there about a year ago.

seconded.

Quote from: ZenWired;309607Thankfully, it's been resurrected and reposted at the Wondrous Imaginings blog:

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/really-funny-comment-on-joe-goodmans.html

Thanks for the link! That was a fun read and spot on too.

Quote from: Hackmastergeneral;309790They can delete our posts, they can ban our accounts, but they can never take OUR FREEDOM!!!!

:rotfl:

Quote from: Windjammer;309778After removing the post that go reposted on Joethelawyer's blog page, and banning a number of people quite needlessly (not just you - my favourite being the one who just wrote "MHUAHAHAHAHAHA!"), they basically removed entire portions of thread AS SUCH.*

Check the dead link in the OP here.

So don't take it personally - EnWorld has currently lost its sense of proportion.

* Which were there formerly. I also thought the thread itself was gone - it's not:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/257927-goodman-rebuttal.html

Thanks for the information, but your links just take me to the 'you're banned' message.  

Quote from: S'mon;309806Thanks for the information, but your links just take me to the 'you're banned' message.  

SNAP!

Quote from: S'mon;309806Thanks for the information, but your links just take me to the 'you're banned' message.  

You just have to log out. Then you can view everything. I recall when I got my first thread-ban on Enworld. Everytime I read that topic and logged on while doing so I got kicked out. Solution? Just don't logon (and delete cookies to prevent auto-logging in).