Quote from: Lunamancer;888211Hmm. Considering I didn't say what you quoted, yes, your accusation is 100% baseless.

Feel free to offer a defense more solid than "nuh uh."

Quote from: GnomeWorks;888214Feel free to offer a defense more solid than "nuh uh."

Given you have yet to actually present any comment from Lunamancer and explain how it amounts to, "I'll let anybody play anything, unless you come in with something that I don't care for, then I'll find the most asinine way to kill your character and let my real players take all your shit!" there is nothing for him to defend.

I could take a guess as to which comment you're referring to, but you'd have to willfully misinterpret every single thing he said in order to reach the paraphrased version you posted, so the onus is definitely on you to make your point, not on him to defend something -- as Lunamancer pointed out -- he didn't actually say.

If you want Lunamancer to make a defence or admit your superiority, I suggest you start by actually presenting your case, instead of saying, "You said this, prove that you didn't, nah nah nah!" There maybe something I've missed that Lunamancer has said that does amount to what you're claiming -- but it would help your case if you actually pointed out what it was.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;888160"I'll let anybody play anything, unless you come in with something that I don't care for, then I'll find the most asinine way to kill your character and let my real players take all your shit!"

But yeah, my accusation was real baseless.

Jackass.

Jesus dude, reading is fundamental.  Let's try it...

Quote from: Lunamancer;887747So what you're saying is that when you bring your fraud character to my table and we run Tomb of Horrors, you'll lose all your shit when it's teleported to Acererak's chamber, then the character will die when he crawls into a demon mouth. Meanwhile, the level 6 character whose player is much smarter since he had to earn the character will get to take your shit when he loots Acererak's treasure.

Yeah. That's exactly the fucking point of why I demand adventures of this kind.

Where does Lunamancer say that "you'll lose all your shit when it's teleported to Acererak's chamber" or "the character will die when he crawls into a demon mouth" equate with "find the most asinine way to kill your character".

Let's break it down.

• You come into Tomb of Horrors with a fake 20th character.
• You won't have the personal experience of getting that character to 20th level.
• As a result, you're going to do stupid shit because you don't know any better.
• As a result, your character will die.
• Problem solved.

I'm guessing what really got your panties in a bunch was the suggestion that the player might actually have some intelligence and not just be able to be run by a monkey with dice, which defeats the whole notion of "I am a PC therefore I am the protagonist here!" or something similar.

So then with panties thoroughly twisted you swoop in, deliberately misread what was written, declare malicious intent and GM favoritism where nothing of that is at all present, and start hissing and spitting through the conversation because your real enemy is a gaming style older than you are.

And Lunamancer is the one who's passive-aggressive...yeah, ok.

Quote from: kosmos1214;888131but the proper french is cUlinary with a long u sound or closer to that (iv only heard the french once)

It's actually a 'u' sound that doesn't exist in English and is a real bitch to teach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QaiWSsKrCw

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;888283It's actually a 'u' sound that doesn't exist in English and is a real bitch to teach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QaiWSsKrCw

I hate foreign vowels more than anything.  I feel like some asshole making fun of a retarded person when I try to do the German umlaut vowel mutations.  Friends who speak German laugh at me because I can't pronounce my own last name unless I've got a few beers in me.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;888205...wait, what? How do you even make that claim?

That's pretty much the quintessential sandbox module. "Here's some caves. Do whatever."

Personal candidate for new lows in RPG player intelligence was a guy claiming that a module that had a locale with only one entrance... was a railroad. Despite that you can wander all over outside and inside that locale. Or that you are trapped in Castle Amber makes it a horrible railroad. I guess Ravenloft is too then since once you enter you cant leave till you put down you know who.

Quote from: CRKrueger;888278I'm guessing what really got your panties in a bunch was the suggestion that the player might actually have some intelligence and not just be able to be run by a monkey with dice, which defeats the whole notion of "I am a PC therefore I am the protagonist here!" or something similar.

So then with panties thoroughly twisted you swoop in, deliberately misread what was written, declare malicious intent and GM favoritism where nothing of that is at all present, and start hissing and spitting through the conversation because your real enemy is a gaming style older than you are.

And Lunamancer is the one who's passive-aggressive...yeah, ok.

You DO know who you're talking to, right?

I've noticed shitty players often bitch about having to make intelligent choices.  Then some of them got put in charge of 3E.

Quote from: CRKrueger;888278Jesus dude, reading is fundamental.  Let's try it...

Your post just about sums it up perfectly.

Though I would also add that the two traps I referenced from Tomb of Horrors not only each appear in the Tomb itself multiple times, but they have both been the specific subject of conversation in this thread.

So the context was clear and present. And I certainly haven't exaggerated anything. Unlike the guy with the 73rd level dwarf or whatever--no one's ever come to my table looking to play anything like that. Usually if people are going to cheat, they try to fly it under the radar. A 6th level Druid (or max level if we're doing something the level of Tomb of Horrors) with near maximum hit points, a ring of invisibility, ring of regeneration, brooch of shielding, bracers of defense, and a +4 scimitar. That sort of thing.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;888283It's actually a 'u' sound that doesn't exist in English and is a real bitch to teach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QaiWSsKrCw

cool i dident know that

To some extent, there's a "self-balancing" aspect simply to the original multi-level dungeon scheme, with XP awards reduced for instance to 1/4 for an 8th-level figure operating on the 2nd dungeon level. Meanwhile, a 2nd-level party venturing down to 4th doesn't get a multiple, but the basic returns are so large relative to the smaller requirement that -- if the larger risks are overcome -- the players are very well rewarded for their daring.

Well, Tomb of Horrors shouldn't have killed his dog.

(I'm too lazy to check if this joke has actually been said yet).

Quote from: CRKrueger;888278And Lunamancer is the one who's passive-aggressive...yeah, ok.

Everything you just wrote is a steaming pile of shit, and you have the gall to question my reading comprehension?

I don't give two fucks about Tomb of Horrors. It's a bullshit module for viking hat assholes. The only reason it has justification for existence is if it is used the way it was originally intended, as a weird-ass competition module where groups compete to see who can last the longest (or so is my understanding of it's original purpose), where it is very clearly understood that characters are throw-aways and nobody actually cares about them as anything more than pawns.

The fucking intent of what I wrote was not to call out Lunamancer as a jackass for using ToH, it was calling him out for being a socially-retarded neckbeard.

If a jackass comes to your table who has clearly cheated to get to that point, and you do not appreciate that, the fucking adult thing to do is to tell them to fuck off. Politely, if you like, but you don't invite them to sit down and then cackle as you fucking waste your time on some juvenile horseshit method of handling social interaction.

Pulling the "oh I let anything fly at my table" and then to follow it up with that idiocy is just fucking juvenile.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;888792Well, Tomb of Horrors shouldn't have killed his dog.

(I'm too lazy to check if this joke has actually been said yet).

Nah. That happened in Warhammer Quest. Usually eight after your Warrior  gets Moity Worrier tattooed on his or her chest...

Quote from: GnomeWorks;888808Everything you just wrote is a steaming pile of shit, and you have the gall to question my reading comprehension?

It's an accurate summary. You may not like it, but it's still an accurate summary. If all you see is a "steaming pile of shit" that's not exactly making a stellar case for reading comprehension skills. Perhaps you could avoid confusion about your capacity for understanding by communicating an honest appraisal of what other people write rather than spewing hate.

QuoteI don't give two fucks about Tomb of Horrors.

The thread is about Tomb of Horrors. If that's really how you feel, maybe you shouldn't be reading or posting here.

QuoteIt's a bullshit module for viking hat assholes.

It's rated the third greatest module of all time. A lot of people seem to have had fun playing it. If you haven't, that doesn't mean the module isn't fun. All it means is you don't know how to have fun playing it.

QuoteThe only reason it has justification for existence is if it is used the way it was originally intended, as a weird-ass competition module where groups compete to see who can last the longest (or so is my understanding of it's original purpose), where it is very clearly understood that characters are throw-aways and nobody actually cares about them as anything more than pawns.

When you say "or so is my understanding," is that you confessing that you really have no clue what the module is actually about? Because in reality, it's totally beatable. It's not just a competition to see who's the last man standing. I've never participated in a tourney. I bought the module inspired by this thread. I read it cover to cover with fresh eyes. It seems like a fun adventure to run my regular group through. The module even lists suggestions of where in the world of Greyhawk it can be set. Almost as though it is suitable for insertion into an ongoing campaign. Fancy that.

QuoteThe fucking intent of what I wrote was not to call out Lunamancer as a jackass for using ToH, it was calling him out for being a socially-retarded neckbeard.

And that makes me the passive-aggressive one, right?

QuoteIf a jackass comes to your table who has clearly cheated to get to that point, and you do not appreciate that, the fucking adult thing to do is to tell them to fuck off.

Yes, this just screams "adult."

QuotePolitely, if you like, but you don't invite them to sit down and then cackle as you fucking waste your time

Yes, I suppose to some sitting down to play a game is a waste of time. If that's how you feel, maybe you should not just consider leaving this thread but leaving the site as well. Some of us have a lot of fun, and part of the fun is not knowing what's going to happen. To us, seeing how the game plays out, no matter the actual result, is never a waste of time.

Quoteon some juvenile horseshit method of handling social interaction.

I'm a manager at the #1 sales & marketing office of a global company. I got that because in my rookie year, my first six months with the company I made the old man a half million dollars, then in the next six months I taught my methods to the sales staff. My first post on this site was adapting my proven system to a procedure that will work with most any RPG to handle in-character social interactions of all kinds. I just may know a thing or two about social interaction.

But if you think you know something I don't, let's see it. Just so you know, though, what you've said so far, even if you go back and delete all the obscenities, is nothing but a sentiment repeated in an echo chamber by a bunch of people with no social skills who just needed to have something to say that sounds good. Here, it's being used in lieu of a reasoned argument to brow beat something you don't like.

Maybe it's just me, that doesn't quite strike me as the epitome of quality social interaction.

QuotePulling the "oh I let anything fly at my table" and then to follow it up with that idiocy is just fucking juvenile.

You seem to be assuming that just because you don't understand something, that makes the other guy the dumb one. Kind of like just because you don't know how to have fun playing Tomb of Horrors, that's somehow the module's fault even though it works for so many others.

Here's the thing. I may not set out to advertise that I am humble, but when it comes to my actions, I am. And the simple fact is I am at all times well aware that it's entirely possible that someone who sits at my table knows something I don't know. So I want to give everyone an honest chance. What they do with it is on them. You walk into the tomb and crawl into a demons mouth, that's not my fault.

Quote from: Lunamancer;888818Just so you know, though, what you've said so far, even if you go back and delete all the obscenities, is nothing but a sentiment repeated in an echo chamber by a bunch of people with no social skills who just needed to have something to say that sounds good.

This is the shit that happens whenever people start 3e or 4e threads, unfortunately.  It'll die down.