It's worse than that, they try to say that Gygax didn't play "correctly" because he didn't use all the rules as written. They got into an X debate with Rob Kuntz where they basically told him the same thing, that he played "wrong". Their main argument is basically "playing 100% RAW is superior to everything else" which is fine, but it's the holier-than-thou "We are the enlightened because we play by the book, and anyone who modifies rules isn't really playing AD&D" crap that's the problem.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

I love when people pretend they don't know how to use Google because they really don't want the answers they're pretending to ask for. Here ya go, dipshit. Took all of 30 seconds.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

There are nearly a hundred citations in this article, many of them archived versions of Day's own blogs.

The links in my above post are gone because the Tweets in question were either deleted or Day's Twitter suspended. I don't know which.

And to be clear, I never said Jeffro was a nazi. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about Jews. But I'd be open to seeing any evidence. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on my own.

My point was that working and/or associating with Vox Day, personally or professionally, is a choice. And it says a lot about the person making it. After looking at the above article, and Day's own words, I ask you: would YOU associate with this individual, on a personal or professional basis? Would you want him and his statements associated with Fans of the Dead Games Society? What are your honest thoughts about his ideas?

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

I love when people pretend they don't know how to use Google because they really don't want the answers they're pretending to ask for. Here ya go, dipshit. Took all of 30 seconds.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

There are nearly a hundred citations in this article, many of them archived versions of Day's own blogs.

The links in my above post are gone because the Tweets in question were either deleted or Day's Twitter suspended. I don't know which.

And to be clear, I never said Jeffro was a nazi. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about Jews. But I'd be open to seeing any evidence. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on my own.

My point was that working and/or associating with Vox Day, personally or professionally, is a choice. And it says a lot about the person making it. After looking at the above article, and Day's own words, I ask you: would YOU associate with this individual, on a personal or professional basis? Would you want him and his statements associated with Fans of the Dead Games Society? What are your honest thoughts about his ideas?

are you seriously trying to get me to click on rationalwiki?

maybe you can put up some links to the Freedom Road Socialist blog or Jacobin Magazine while you are at it

when I said I tried to look things up, I was going to primary sources or reputable sites, not left-wing propagandists and liars

maybe the wiki links to some of Vox Day's stuff--but I don't care. Not going to give them web traffic or consideration

and like I said, Vox is an edgelord. But that wasn't the original issue: the claim was made that Jeffro was a Nazi, was condemning Jews, gays, blacks, whatever. I simply asked for some direct proof

I also said we shouldn't be calling people's employers and business associates to rat people out or get them cancelled. That is bullish* behavior that leftists engage in.

What is this thread actually about? I came in here hoping to see pictures of Gary Gygax at a Jefferson Airplane concert, and all I got was five pages of accusations that people I've never heard of and don't care about are either Jews or Nazis.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

I love when people pretend they don't know how to use Google because they really don't want the answers they're pretending to ask for. Here ya go, dipshit. Took all of 30 seconds.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

There are nearly a hundred citations in this article, many of them archived versions of Day's own blogs.

The links in my above post are gone because the Tweets in question were either deleted or Day's Twitter suspended. I don't know which.

And to be clear, I never said Jeffro was a nazi. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about Jews. But I'd be open to seeing any evidence. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on my own.

My point was that working and/or associating with Vox Day, personally or professionally, is a choice. And it says a lot about the person making it. After looking at the above article, and Day's own words, I ask you: would YOU associate with this individual, on a personal or professional basis? Would you want him and his statements associated with Fans of the Dead Games Society? What are your honest thoughts about his ideas?

are you seriously trying to get me to click on rationalwiki?

maybe you can put up some links to the Freedom Road Socialist blog or Jacobin Magazine while you are at it

when I said I tried to look things up, I was going to primary sources or reputable sites, not left-wing propagandists and liars

maybe the wiki links to some of Vox Day's stuff--but I don't care. Not going to give them web traffic or consideration

and like I said, Vox is an edgelord. But that wasn't the original issue: the claim was made that Jeffro was a Nazi, was condemning Jews, gays, blacks, whatever. I simply asked for some direct proof

I also said we shouldn't be calling people's employers and business associates to rat people out or get them cancelled. That is bullish* behavior that leftists engage in.

Ahahahahaha I called it. You're gonna play the "I know you showed me where it is, but if I don't look at it, it doesn't exist" game, because you're afraid what you see won't support your narrative.

Rationalwiki be damned, that article has numerous archived blog posts from Vox Day himself. His own words. It doesn't get any more definitive or "primary" than that. But you're going to play the ad hominem game, while pretending that the proof doesn't exist. You're the kind of dope that would refuse a "socialist" fire department as your family burned alive.

And I never said that Jeffro was a nazi. Why are you responding to my post with arguments to things I never said? Oh, yeah, because you'll do anything to avoid looking at the evidence you pretended to want.

I also never talked about calling anyone's employers or business associates, and neither was anyone else in this thread.

And since your kitten wrists and delicate, ladylike fingers are too weak to use a keyboard, here are some choice links directly to Day's archived blog posts. I eagerly await your excuse for not viewing these, either.

Here is a blog post in which Day states, "...a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability."

https://web.archive.org/web/20120609084003/http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2012/06/scientist-beats-up-pz.html


And another, where Day brags about doxxing a woman for the purposes of harassing her. You know, that thing you're claiming to be against?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150414082652/http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/to-sign-or-not-to-sign.html


There are many more, and more egregious, posts from Vox. I won't bother linking them, because if you really wanted to see the proof, you'd look right where someone told you it was, in Vox's own words. In other words, I know you won't read them, because you prefer the comfort of ignorance to the factual knowledge that  has been freely offered to you.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

I love when people pretend they don't know how to use Google because they really don't want the answers they're pretending to ask for. Here ya go, dipshit. Took all of 30 seconds.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

There are nearly a hundred citations in this article, many of them archived versions of Day's own blogs.

The links in my above post are gone because the Tweets in question were either deleted or Day's Twitter suspended. I don't know which.

And to be clear, I never said Jeffro was a nazi. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about Jews. But I'd be open to seeing any evidence. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on my own.

My point was that working and/or associating with Vox Day, personally or professionally, is a choice. And it says a lot about the person making it. After looking at the above article, and Day's own words, I ask you: would YOU associate with this individual, on a personal or professional basis? Would you want him and his statements associated with Fans of the Dead Games Society? What are your honest thoughts about his ideas?

are you seriously trying to get me to click on rationalwiki?

maybe you can put up some links to the Freedom Road Socialist blog or Jacobin Magazine while you are at it

when I said I tried to look things up, I was going to primary sources or reputable sites, not left-wing propagandists and liars

maybe the wiki links to some of Vox Day's stuff--but I don't care. Not going to give them web traffic or consideration

and like I said, Vox is an edgelord. But that wasn't the original issue: the claim was made that Jeffro was a Nazi, was condemning Jews, gays, blacks, whatever. I simply asked for some direct proof

I also said we shouldn't be calling people's employers and business associates to rat people out or get them cancelled. That is bullish* behavior that leftists engage in.

Ahahahahaha I called it. You're gonna play the "I know you showed me where it is, but if I don't look at it, it doesn't exist" game, because you're afraid what you see won't support your narrative.

Rationalwiki be damned, that article has numerous archived blog posts from Vox Day himself. His own words. It doesn't get any more definitive or "primary" than that. But you're going to play the ad hominem game, while pretending that the proof doesn't exist. You're the kind of dope that would refuse a "socialist" fire department as your family burned alive.

And I never said that Jeffro was a nazi. Why are you responding to my post with arguments to things I never said? Oh, yeah, because you'll do anything to avoid looking at the evidence you pretended to want.

I also never talked about calling anyone's employers or business associates, and neither was anyone else in this thread.

And since your kitten wrists and delicate, ladylike fingers are too weak to use a keyboard, here are some choice links directly to Day's archived blog posts. I eagerly await your excuse for not viewing these, either.

Here is a blog post in which Day states, "...a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability."

https://web.archive.org/web/20120609084003/http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2012/06/scientist-beats-up-pz.html


And another, where Day brags about doxxing a woman for the purposes of harassing her. You know, that thing you're claiming to be against?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150414082652/http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/to-sign-or-not-to-sign.html


There are many more, and more egregious, posts from Vox. I won't bother linking them, because if you really wanted to see the proof, you'd look right where someone told you it was, in Vox's own words. In other words, I know you won't read them, because you prefer the comfort of ignorance to the factual knowledge that  has been freely offered to you.

wow, ok snowflake. For starters:

1. I never defended Vox Day, and stressed that he was pretty irrelevant to this conversation
2. You are playing some weird guilt-by-association thing regarding Vox and this Jeffry guy
3. You haven't showed me anything--you linked to a horseshi*, unreliable website which has a history of lying, misinformation, photoshopped content, etc. You didn't post actual links to Jeffro's blogs, feeds, whatever. Is that so hard to do?

why don't you take your bs over to reddit where it belongs

Quote from: Corolinth on April 15, 2025, 12:23:34 PMWhat is this thread actually about? I came in here hoping to see pictures of Gary Gygax at a Jefferson Airplane concert, and all I got was five pages of accusations that people I've never heard of and don't care about are either Jews or Nazis.

Just another typical day at the OSR...

(This is far from the first time some fruitcake OSR faction has made proclamations like this.)

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Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

or, let's not get into the cancellation game

I thought this group didn't do stuff like that

if we don't like the brosr guys, simply ignore them

That's not the way to handle scum. Particularly if said scum is being promoted by the hot new commodity, who probably doesn't know how much they despise "the gays".

I looked around for the "antisemitic" posts from jeffro, or even anti-gay stuff, and I haven't been able to find anything.

If this guy is truly "scum" as you say, can you point me to some proof?

I'm not that familiar with Jeffro, but I did find this blog post about him after a quick Google search.
https://camestrosfelapton.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/do-you-remember-jeffro-johnson/

Johnson works with Vox Day and is published by the latter's company, Castalia House. Day himself is an unapologetic bigot who has endorsed throwing acid in womens' faces. Jeffro hasn't endorsed such behavior that I'm aware of, but working with or for someone like Vox Day is a definite choice. But that's a conversation this forum probably isn't ready to have, as Alexander Macris is well liked here, and has ties to Day as well.

I looked at the link --obviously, one of the quotations attributed would offend a lot of people

but the link from there goes nowhere, and I can't see if it is

a) a false claim about something Jeffro said
b) something taken completely out-of-context

example: "The Nazis believed that a cabal of Jews run the world"

and some clips off "The Nazis believed" from this, and pastes the comment elsewhere

and I haven't seen the actual quote where Vox Day says anything about acid attacks --not saying it doesn't exist, but I only see leftists on reddit screaming "Vox Day endorses acid attacks on women"!

I am not defending Jeffro --I don't know him, but the Internet is full of nonsense and false allegations. Before we make any determination on him, I would ask for hard proof he is a "Nazi" or whatever, and that the allegations aren't simply coming from rumor, hearsay, and leftists making stuff up on social media

Vox Day is an edgelord who likes to generate publicity by saying outlandish things.

I love when people pretend they don't know how to use Google because they really don't want the answers they're pretending to ask for. Here ya go, dipshit. Took all of 30 seconds.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

There are nearly a hundred citations in this article, many of them archived versions of Day's own blogs.

The links in my above post are gone because the Tweets in question were either deleted or Day's Twitter suspended. I don't know which.

And to be clear, I never said Jeffro was a nazi. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about Jews. But I'd be open to seeing any evidence. And I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on my own.

My point was that working and/or associating with Vox Day, personally or professionally, is a choice. And it says a lot about the person making it. After looking at the above article, and Day's own words, I ask you: would YOU associate with this individual, on a personal or professional basis? Would you want him and his statements associated with Fans of the Dead Games Society? What are your honest thoughts about his ideas?

are you seriously trying to get me to click on rationalwiki?

maybe you can put up some links to the Freedom Road Socialist blog or Jacobin Magazine while you are at it

when I said I tried to look things up, I was going to primary sources or reputable sites, not left-wing propagandists and liars

maybe the wiki links to some of Vox Day's stuff--but I don't care. Not going to give them web traffic or consideration

and like I said, Vox is an edgelord. But that wasn't the original issue: the claim was made that Jeffro was a Nazi, was condemning Jews, gays, blacks, whatever. I simply asked for some direct proof

I also said we shouldn't be calling people's employers and business associates to rat people out or get them cancelled. That is bullish* behavior that leftists engage in.

Ahahahahaha I called it. You're gonna play the "I know you showed me where it is, but if I don't look at it, it doesn't exist" game, because you're afraid what you see won't support your narrative.

Rationalwiki be damned, that article has numerous archived blog posts from Vox Day himself. His own words. It doesn't get any more definitive or "primary" than that. But you're going to play the ad hominem game, while pretending that the proof doesn't exist. You're the kind of dope that would refuse a "socialist" fire department as your family burned alive.

And I never said that Jeffro was a nazi. Why are you responding to my post with arguments to things I never said? Oh, yeah, because you'll do anything to avoid looking at the evidence you pretended to want.

I also never talked about calling anyone's employers or business associates, and neither was anyone else in this thread.

And since your kitten wrists and delicate, ladylike fingers are too weak to use a keyboard, here are some choice links directly to Day's archived blog posts. I eagerly await your excuse for not viewing these, either.

Here is a blog post in which Day states, "...a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability."

https://web.archive.org/web/20120609084003/http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2012/06/scientist-beats-up-pz.html


And another, where Day brags about doxxing a woman for the purposes of harassing her. You know, that thing you're claiming to be against?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150414082652/http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/to-sign-or-not-to-sign.html


There are many more, and more egregious, posts from Vox. I won't bother linking them, because if you really wanted to see the proof, you'd look right where someone told you it was, in Vox's own words. In other words, I know you won't read them, because you prefer the comfort of ignorance to the factual knowledge that  has been freely offered to you.

wow, ok snowflake. For starters:

1. I never defended Vox Day, and stressed that he was pretty irrelevant to this conversation
2. You are playing some weird guilt-by-association thing regarding Vox and this Jeffry guy
3. You haven't showed me anything--you linked to a horseshi*, unreliable website which has a history of lying, misinformation, photoshopped content, etc. You didn't post actual links to Jeffro's blogs, feeds, whatever. Is that so hard to do?

why don't you take your bs over to reddit where it belongs

Snowflake? You're the one who's too fragile to click an internet link lmao.

1. I never accused you of defending Day. Not once. Try to keep up.
2. No, I'm not. I do, however, think that if someone decides to do business with Day, that says something about them as a person. This isn't about Jeffro being responsible for Day's actions, but about Jeffro being alone responsible for the choices he makes about the company he keeps.
3. No, it isn't "so hard to do." That's why my last post had two links directly to Day's archived blog, which I correctly predicted you would not read. I literally did post links directly to Jeffro's archived blog... two of them. As I expected, you're moving the goalposts yet again, and talking about anything but the facts, which are:

-You refused to click on the link I provided, even after I told you that it contained dozens of direct links to Day's own words, undeniably written by him on his blog, and archived for posterity by the Internet Archive. It should have been obvious, even to someone as dense as you, that I was not telling you to trust Rationalwiki, but rather to trust Day's own writings. The fact that you expect me to aggregate dozens of links to the Internet Archive, rather than just looking at the place that's done it already is absurd, and a bad faith argument. This is evidenced by the fact that, after you claimed that you couldn't possibly look at Rationalwiki without being triggered and literally shaking, I provided two direct links, which, as I predicted, you'd have some excuse not to read.

Why did you ask for something you had no intention of reading? Because you're full of shit.

Good God, could y'all PLEASE f'cking learn to cut down your posts to reply JUST to the specific post instead of the entire chain?

i must recruit these jewish nazis to help me against the communist shinto tribes of the northlands...

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 15, 2025, 04:47:05 PMGood God, could y'all PLEASE f'cking learn to cut down your posts to reply JUST to the specific post instead of the entire chain?

In our defense any forum that isn't run by complete incompetents will do this automatically

Quote from: JanDevries on April 15, 2025, 06:46:49 PM

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 15, 2025, 04:47:05 PMGood God, could y'all PLEASE f'cking learn to cut down your posts to reply JUST to the specific post instead of the entire chain?

In our defense any forum that isn't run by complete incompetents will do this automatically

Nope, not at all - it's far better to have the flexibility, trust your users to learn how to use the tools, and be able to provide the relevant context where appropriate. For example, here, just replying to your sentence wouldn't tell the reader anything, but with the context from Insane Nerd Ramblings it's a lot easier to see how wrong you are.

When we're having a complicated discussion about RPGs, it's really nice to be able to interweave arguments & respond to points at a relevant location - unless we're going to start writing more formal essays & position papers?

Quote from: Corolinth on April 15, 2025, 12:23:34 PMWhat is this thread actually about? I came in here hoping to see pictures of Gary Gygax at a Jefferson Airplane concert, and all I got was five pages of accusations that people I've never heard of and don't care about are either Jews or Nazis.

Apparently it was originally about the merits of Jeffrogaxian D&D

it then turned into

"I heard somewhere from someone that Jeffro talked to Vox Day and made some politically-incorrect social media posts ... therefore we need to call up Jeffro's employer, business partners, etc. and make sure everyone understands he is guilty of wrong think"

basically something you would see on rpgnet or reddit

this Jeffro guy isn't important, and if people don't like his social media posts they should simply ignore him like I do

you would think "conservatives" would get it

Quote from: Naburimannu on April 16, 2025, 03:56:56 AM

Quote from: JanDevries on April 15, 2025, 06:46:49 PM

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 15, 2025, 04:47:05 PMGood God, could y'all PLEASE f'cking learn to cut down your posts to reply JUST to the specific post instead of the entire chain?

In our defense any forum that isn't run by complete incompetents will do this automatically

Nope, not at all - it's far better to have the flexibility, trust your users to learn how to use the tools, and be able to provide the relevant context where appropriate. For example, here, just replying to your sentence wouldn't tell the reader anything, but with the context from Insane Nerd Ramblings it's a lot easier to see how wrong you are.

When we're having a complicated discussion about RPGs, it's really nice to be able to interweave arguments & respond to points at a relevant location - unless we're going to start writing more formal essays & position papers?

It's possible to have that flexibility and still auto-truncate quotes. Most forums do this.