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Jeff Dee claiming VV GoFundME

Started by tenbones, September 23, 2015, 12:45:56 PM

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tenbones

September 23, 2015, 12:45:56 PM
I know how a lot of people around here feel about GoFundMe/KS etc.

Jeff Dee has a GoFundMe to help with his reclaiming V&V.

https://www.gofundme.com/rt4rt5p9

In case anyone wants to help him out.

Brad

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September 23, 2015, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: tenbones;857307I know how a lot of people around here feel about GoFundMe/KS etc.

Jeff Dee has a GoFundMe to help with his reclaiming V&V.

https://www.gofundme.com/rt4rt5p9

In case anyone wants to help him out.

Yeah well...call it Heels and Heroes or something else. $50k for some crusty-old trademark no one under 30 has ever heard of? Sounds like a waste of money.
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Christopher Brady

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September 23, 2015, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: Brad;857316Yeah well...call it Heels and Heroes or something else. $50k for some crusty-old trademark no one under 30 has ever heard of? Sounds like a waste of money.

Given the crap that people have paid for, are still waiting, hoping beyond hope, and none have even remotely this sort of old school nostalgia?  50 bucks is a steal.
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David Johansen

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September 23, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: Brad;857316Yeah well...call it Heels and Heroes or something else. $50k for some crusty-old trademark no one under 30 has ever heard of? Sounds like a waste of money.

He already tried that and it flopped.  Like it or not crusty old trademarks are mostly what drives this hobby and too few people want to see anyone's latest ideas.
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Brad

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September 23, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: David Johansen;857329He already tried that and it flopped.  Like it or not crusty old trademarks are mostly what drives this hobby and too few people want to see anyone's latest ideas.

Are you talking about this? That's similar to V&V, but not really. If he said, we're publishing the 3rd edition of V&V and it'll be called X&X, I think it'd do fine. Anyone who is remotely interested in Jeff Dee's work should be aware of the trademark bs.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Omega

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September 23, 2015, 04:21:00 PM
Well at least they didnt get suckered into using Game Salute.
The V&V Card game is now a year past its ship date and allmost immediately the "Working on it! Going to print soon!" cycle started.
This one though was not from Dee or the original designers. It was from Ben Swainbank. Wasnt he one of the writers for Vampire?

drkrash

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September 23, 2015, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: Omega;857346Well at least they didnt get suckered into using Game Salute.
The V&V Card game is now a year past its ship date and allmost immediately the "Working on it! Going to print soon!" cycle started.
This one though was not from Dee or the original designers. It was from Ben Swainbank. Wasnt he one of the writers for Vampire?

FWIW, the card game is out.  I got mine 2 months ago.

JeremyR

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September 23, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
I hope he gets it back. I remember absolutely nothing about the actual rules of the game, but I remember playing it fondly as a kid

Omega

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September 23, 2015, 11:31:03 PM
Quote from: drkrash;857383FWIW, the card game is out.  I got mine 2 months ago.

From the Kickstarter or from the TheGameCrafter prototype?

drkrash

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September 23, 2015, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Omega;857389From the Kickstarter or from the TheGameCrafter prototype?

The Kickstarter (with the expansion).  I just played it yesterday.

urbwar

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September 24, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: Brad;857334Are you talking about this? That's similar to V&V, but not really. If he said, we're publishing the 3rd edition of V&V and it'll be called X&X, I think it'd do fine. Anyone who is remotely interested in Jeff Dee's work should be aware of the trademark bs.

They have a 3rd edition they've been working on. The legal case sidelined it coming out. I've read they want to release it one the legal issue is finalized in their favor

Brad

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September 24, 2015, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: urbwar;857405They have a 3rd edition they've been working on. The legal case sidelined it coming out. I've read they want to release it one the legal issue is finalized in their favor

I did a playtest with Jeff Dee for V&V 3rd at a con a few years back, so yeah, it's been ready to go for a while.

But, again, $50k? Say he sells 3000 copies at $25 each...that license just isn't worth it.
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Omega

#12
September 24, 2015, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: Brad;857437I did a playtest with Jeff Dee for V&V 3rd at a con a few years back, so yeah, it's been ready to go for a while.

But, again, $50k? Say he sells 3000 copies at $25 each...that license just isn't worth it.

Worse than that. 3k print copies is going to cost to print and ship. So gets back even less.

Brad

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September 24, 2015, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: Omega;857438Worse than that. 3k print copies is going to cost to print and ship. So gets back even less.

Obviously that's why he wants Free Money. I mean, at least offer the supporters a copy of the book or something...free PDFs?
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Mistwell

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September 24, 2015, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: Brad;857444Obviously that's why he wants Free Money. I mean, at least offer the supporters a copy of the book or something...free PDFs?

Sorry for the non-sequitur, but based on your avatar, I can't help but read your posts in the voice of George Castanza.
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