They are dead to me, as long as the current group is in charge.  Won't buy it or even play it, even if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  Not that there is much chance of that, since that group is likely to do the exact opposite of what would make a good or useful 5.5.  Especially since the first place to start would be to edit out almost all of their "contributions" to 5E.

I look forward to not paying for this.

I'm long past giving a shit what WotC does. With the advent of the OSR D&D is out of their hands and I'm quite content never looking back.

Quote from: Aglondir on September 26, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
What's wrong with the Champion?

There is a link inside the link. Basically, it is too weak when compared to battlemaster or eldrtitch knight, not to mention paladin etc.

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-champion-5e.html

The idea is not doing a complete overhaul; just the minimum changes necessary to make it closer to the Battlemaster in damage output (and give it some out of combat utility), without adding much complexity, so the the Champion remains the "simple fighter".

I think a couple of small changes at levels 3 and 7 might be enough. This is because Improved Critical and Remarkable Athlete are especially weak; if we fix them early on, we fix the entire subclass.

Quote from: Horace on September 27, 2021, 12:26:41 AM
The 5E core system, as released in 2014, is really good. Everything that's been done to it since (Xanathar's Guide, Tasha's Cauldron) has been awful. If the people working on 5.5E are the same people who ruined 5E over the past few years, then 5.5E is not going to be an improvement; it's going to be awful.

Eh... there is good and bad in Tashas and Xanathars IMO. One good thing is that they might buff the ranger and warlock, for example. But I agree that the original PHB with a few house rules is enough for me and I don't need more PHBs.

Overall, I think 5.5e will be slightly more balanced than 5 becasue of feedback, but will also bring new problems to the table, and it is overall unnecessary.

My money's on this being the 2nd Edition to 5E's 1st Edition, but instead of moving towards 'family-friendly High Fantasy', the tone will skew towards 'woke swashbuckling Seattleite melodrama.'

Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 27, 2021, 08:58:31 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on September 26, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
What's wrong with the Champion?

There is a link inside the link. Basically, it is too weak when compared to battlemaster or eldrtitch knight, not to mention paladin etc.

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-champion-5e.html

The idea is not doing a complete overhaul; just the minimum changes necessary to make it closer to the Battlemaster in damage output (and give it some out of combat utility), without adding much complexity, so the the Champion remains the "simple fighter".

I think a couple of small changes at levels 3 and 7 might be enough. This is because Improved Critical and Remarkable Athlete are especially weak; if we fix them early on, we fix the entire subclass.

I play champions almost exclusively, and currently have two of them in active games. I agree in a standard 5e game they may fall behind the power curve, however, as long as feats are permitted they are an extremely flexible class. And if custom backgrounds are allowed, even better.

If you are playing in a campaign that is going to kill Tiamat or whatever lunacy WotC has cooked up, 100% agree. If you can find a game with more grounded fantasy I only half agree. Champions are fine, but battle masters and eldritch knights ARE stronger

Quote from: FingerRod on September 27, 2021, 09:36:49 AM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 27, 2021, 08:58:31 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on September 26, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
What's wrong with the Champion?

There is a link inside the link. Basically, it is too weak when compared to battlemaster or eldrtitch knight, not to mention paladin etc.

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-champion-5e.html

The idea is not doing a complete overhaul; just the minimum changes necessary to make it closer to the Battlemaster in damage output (and give it some out of combat utility), without adding much complexity, so the the Champion remains the "simple fighter".

I think a couple of small changes at levels 3 and 7 might be enough. This is because Improved Critical and Remarkable Athlete are especially weak; if we fix them early on, we fix the entire subclass.

I play champions almost exclusively, and currently have two of them in active games. I agree in a standard 5e game they may fall behind the power curve, however, as long as feats are permitted they are an extremely flexible class. And if custom backgrounds are allowed, even better.

If you are playing in a campaign that is going to kill Tiamat or whatever lunacy WotC has cooked up, 100% agree. If you can find a game with more grounded fantasy I only half agree. Champions are fine, but battle masters and eldritch knights ARE stronger

Yup, and champions are my favorite fighters, I really like how straightforward they are; I just want them to be on par with other subclasses.

With everything they've pumped out for 5e, it has a certain "kitchen sink" feel to it, like they were merely interested in pumping out more books, and had no great plan for how 5e would look.
They could do with reorganizing what went into where, but I have zero faith that WotC can pull it off.
Like presenting the material into a path that stays faithful to Classic D&D (Forgotten Realms and FR-like "Europe but magic' worlds) , and separate pathways of "expanded worlds" (the MtG nonsense and the oddball stuff like Dark Sun, Planescape, etc. )
Or how about Monster Manual?  PHB has a few beasts and very monsters that the PCs would know about. But a Druid, who can wildshape into many animals, only has access to a few sets of the critter stats that can apply to them.

Quote from: DM_Curt on September 27, 2021, 09:49:20 AM
Like presenting the material into a path that stays faithful to Classic D&D (Forgotten Realms and FR-like "Europe but magic' worlds)

I must be unusual in that I preferred the sections of the FR that got further and further from a European-inspired base.

Quote from: Crusader X on September 26, 2021, 10:21:26 PM
The wokeness in the core books will increase for sure.  So it will be a hard pass for me.

Yeah, that's for sure. Going to be as woke as fook. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

But I don't care tbh. Because I wouldn't touch a D&D book even if it had a massive pair of tits on it.

Rules churn is how they sell more books. Not interested. I'm so happy we have the OSR and non-D&D games. I fully expect it to be more woke superhero folx at the renaissance faire.

Quote from: rytrasmi on September 27, 2021, 10:10:50 AM
I'm so happy we have the OSR and non-D&D games. I fully expect it to be more woke superhero folx at the renaissance faire.

Couldn't have said it better myself. We got OSR so we don't need that other toilet paper.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 27, 2021, 02:53:08 AM

y

If they do sell to tencent (china company) it'll be fun to watch.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 27, 2021, 10:38:21 AM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 27, 2021, 02:53:08 AM

y

If they do sell to tencent (china company) it'll be fun to watch.

   Haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but WotC has been one of Hasbro's most successful divisions lately--it's tough to see them letting that go.

ICv2 seems to be of the same opinion.

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/47054/rolling-initiative-a-case-possible-sale-wizards-coast-being-horizon