Quote from: jhkim on April 09, 2023, 11:18:03 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 09, 2023, 03:21:00 AM

Quote from: jhkim on April 09, 2023, 02:51:25 AM
Fair - but on the other hand, it's also true that GURPS and HERO often have heroes with disabilities, which is something that a number of posters have argued against. We had some discussion of this a few years back in FATE discussion and a follow-up thread I started.

Really? Someone has argued against having Daredevil? Professor X?

I'm gonna need to see some evidence of that.

I mean, you were around for these discussion. These are some comments from the latter thread.

Quote from: SHARK on February 22, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
I think all of this "deep effort" to include disabilities and focus on disabled characters is honestly pathetic, pandering, disrespectful, and entirely in poor taste.

I don't find anything funny about it, or particularly "sensitive" to include such rules in a game. It's bullshit.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on February 22, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
As a person with a mental disability I can say this.  FUCK ANYONE ONE THAT DRAGS DISABILITIES INTO ANY GAME!  Can we just have our fucking escapism where we play as people that are far better and more heroic than us?  Can we just do that?

Quote from: ElBorak on February 28, 2020, 01:02:10 AM
I agree with this, IMO there are no cool ways to include disabilities in a game.

There was earlier discussion of this as well. I think the problem was that discussion of disabilities started with discussion of left-leaning products like the FATE Accessibility book and Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair -- and many posters went from there to saying that any disabled characters were unsuitable as PCs.

Are you seriously equating those turds with GURPS or HERO?

You're either being disingenuous or need a strong dose of coffee, in GURPS/HERO disabilities ARE a negative which is why you get points to buy other traits when you take one.

On the other hand in those turds disabilities AREN'T a negative AND are negated completely: Combat wheelchair, I remember that discussion, in order for it to work you need to turn pseudo medieval Europe and it's dungeons into wheelchair accessible 2023 Seattle.

Lets go back to Daredevil: He's blind, which is negated by his superpower (how else would he be a superhero?), said superpower does come with it's drawbacks tho, you can render him "blind" if you know how it works, by using strong sounds.

BUT, when talking about DnD it doesn't make sense to have Professor X going dungeon delving, because of his wheelchair. But you could totally have him as a retired adventurer that gives advice, loans money/books, etc.

That was the argument back then and still is even if you wan't to twist it into something else.

jkhim is weapons grade demoralization. The posts full of disingenuous sophistry, then people wearing themselves to a nub trying to get him to acknowledge his antics.

If someone told me he was a cyborg sent back in time by the wokists on 2123, I would believe it.

I.Q 105: "We're sick of people using disabilities as character dressing, and insisting they have no actual negatives."

I.Q. 3000: "So you're saying you don't like hindrances in old game systems."

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 09, 2023, 01:24:51 PM
jkhim is weapons grade demoralization. The posts full of disingenuous sophistry, then people wearing themselves to a nub trying to get him to acknowledge his antics.

If someone told me he was a cyborg sent back in time by the wokists on 2123, I would believe it.

I.Q 105: "We're sick of people using disabilities as character dressing, and insisting they have no actual negatives."

I.Q. 3000: "So you're saying you don't like hindrances in old game systems."

I spent a couple of years trying to penetrate his intellectual dishonesty and finally rescued my sanity by putting him on my Ignore List.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 09, 2023, 03:25:06 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 09, 2023, 01:24:51 PM
jkhim is weapons grade demoralization. The posts full of disingenuous sophistry, then people wearing themselves to a nub trying to get him to acknowledge his antics.

If someone told me he was a cyborg sent back in time by the wokists on 2123, I would believe it.

I.Q 105: "We're sick of people using disabilities as character dressing, and insisting they have no actual negatives."

I.Q. 3000: "So you're saying you don't like hindrances in old game systems."

I spent a couple of years trying to penetrate his intellectual dishonesty and finally rescued my sanity by putting him on my Ignore List.

It's not about changing his mind (although that would be nice), it's about not letting the BS go unchallenged.

Quote from: jhkim on April 09, 2023, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on April 08, 2023, 09:53:29 PM

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 07, 2023, 11:48:04 PM
For that matter, why isn't dwarfism considered a disability in RPGs?

It is, in Gurps and Hero. Both games use the "a disadvantage hinders you, which is why it provides extra points" model. This methodology has assumptions that are contrary to the current Woke narrative.

Fair - but on the other hand, it's also true that GURPS and HERO often have heroes with disabilities, which is something that a number of posters have argued against. We had some discussion of this a few years back in FATE discussion and a follow-up thread I started.

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/essay-gurps-and-the-fate-accessibility-toolkit/
Essay: "GURPS and the Fate Accessibility Toolkit"

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/cool-uses-of-disabilities-in-games/
Cool uses of disabilities in games

"Oh. Fate Accessibility Toolkit... I forgot you were there. You may go now."  - Doc Holiday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULGaOaln6Ao