Greetings!

Hmmm. I could see getting some use out of a book that covers insanity and mental and physical illnesses and mind-blasting deformities. I often use Insane Asylums, Leper Colonies, and Children's Orphanages in my campaigns, so having some handy charts and stuff that details how the diseased, insane, unwashed masses are afflicted can be useful and interesting.

Just imagine, HORDES of such deformed, dysfunctional people. All shrieking, begging in the streets, barking at each other, or talking to themselves. Shouting ferociously and swearing at the clouds.

I've seen people like this in real life. It's surreal, tragic, but also amusing, in some ways. I've seen people at bus stops arguing loudly...with only themselves, and then smacking themselves in the face with their own fist, swearing and growling at some imagined opponent they are arguing with.

In a grocery store, near an entrance, I saw a decent-looking, adult woman--maybe mid-thirties, shouting at herself. Then, she starting arguing with some imaginary man, and yelling at him to EFF her good, and yelling various sexualized pronouncements and exhortations. Periodically, she would look right at you, and start talking to YOU, exhorting you to get with her, and so on, and then she would switch back to her imaginary argument or encounter.

Definitely some strange stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Dude, NO ONE is saying they couldn't censor every forum, but they CAN'T control the OSR, because it's decentralized, heck make a blockchain store and then they can't even stop you from selling.

True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 04:36:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Dude, NO ONE is saying they couldn't censor every forum, but they CAN'T control the OSR, because it's decentralized, heck make a blockchain store and then they can't even stop you from selling.

True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.  So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?  You don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?  How will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?  They don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.  They just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

Quote from: SHARK on April 08, 2023, 02:18:47 PM
Greetings!

Hmmm. I could see getting some use out of a book that covers insanity and mental and physical illnesses and mind-blasting deformities. I often use Insane Asylums, Leper Colonies, and Children's Orphanages in my campaigns, so having some handy charts and stuff that details how the diseased, insane, unwashed masses are afflicted can be useful and interesting.

Just imagine, HORDES of such deformed, dysfunctional people. All shrieking, begging in the streets, barking at each other, or talking to themselves. Shouting ferociously and swearing at the clouds.

I've seen people like this in real life. It's surreal, tragic, but also amusing, in some ways. I've seen people at bus stops arguing loudly...with only themselves, and then smacking themselves in the face with their own fist, swearing and growling at some imagined opponent they are arguing with.

In a grocery store, near an entrance, I saw a decent-looking, adult woman--maybe mid-thirties, shouting at herself. Then, she starting arguing with some imaginary man, and yelling at him to EFF her good, and yelling various sexualized pronouncements and exhortations. Periodically, she would look right at you, and start talking to YOU, exhorting you to get with her, and so on, and then she would switch back to her imaginary argument or encounter.

Definitely some strange stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I once went to a grocery store to grab some food for lunch and there was this old woman yelling in the parking lot. I thought she was yelling at her son, but she ended up coming inside and kept yelling randomly in the vegetable section. It was something about how her husband was a cheater and her daughter was a slut, I think (it's been a while). Eventually the manager and a couple of security guys showed up and told her she had to leave. She acknowledged it very nicely, then proceeded to call them names and tell them they had a shitty store on the way out. Definitely one of the more interesting experiences I've ever had.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 04:36:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Dude, NO ONE is saying they couldn't censor every forum, but they CAN'T control the OSR, because it's decentralized, heck make a blockchain store and then they can't even stop you from selling.

True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.  So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?  You don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?  How will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?  They don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.  They just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

And then there's the fact that any info you do have on the internet is likely hosted on somebody else's server. So even if you set up your own non-woke company for PDF distribution, where are you going to host it? Amazon took down Parler pretty much because it was making Twitter look bad, and now you don't really hear about Parler anymore. The wokists literally have nothing better to do with their lives than hunt every contact you have down and try to get you isolated from them in one way or another. They will make sure that if your business sells the wrong thing (as determined by the woke "standards" of any given day, you won't have a company to process the online transactions from your store. Gun accessory sellers - who don't have FFLs and don't sell actual guns - are running into this issue right now. They will get the relevant parties to close your communication servers (discord, Mastodon, etc.), making it difficult to communicate. Doesn't even matter if nobody on your server is offended, if they find out that you're saying or doing things they don't approve of, they'll shut you down.

They don't have to show up at a person's house; they can very easily cut your means of communication and distribution. Particularly when the companies that provide those services are run by wokists and/or cowards.

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 08, 2023, 06:38:49 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 04:36:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Dude, NO ONE is saying they couldn't censor every forum, but they CAN'T control the OSR, because it's decentralized, heck make a blockchain store and then they can't even stop you from selling.

True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.  So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?  You don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?  How will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?  They don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.  They just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

And then there's the fact that any info you do have on the internet is likely hosted on somebody else's server. So even if you set up your own non-woke company for PDF distribution, where are you going to host it? Amazon took down Parler pretty much because it was making Twitter look bad, and now you don't really hear about Parler anymore. The wokists literally have nothing better to do with their lives than hunt every contact you have down and try to get you isolated from them in one way or another. They will make sure that if your business sells the wrong thing (as determined by the woke "standards" of any given day, you won't have a company to process the online transactions from your store. Gun accessory sellers - who don't have FFLs and don't sell actual guns - are running into this issue right now. They will get the relevant parties to close your communication servers (discord, Mastodon, etc.), making it difficult to communicate. Doesn't even matter if nobody on your server is offended, if they find out that you're saying or doing things they don't approve of, they'll shut you down.

They don't have to show up at a person's house; they can very easily cut your means of communication and distribution. Particularly when the companies that provide those services are run by wokists and/or cowards.

Greetings!

More and more, every day, that all of these injustices continue, all of the Libtards giggling and crowing--as normal Americans suffer and are persecuted--this is why America needs to be cleansed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 08, 2023, 06:44:27 PM

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 08, 2023, 06:38:49 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 04:36:42 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Dude, NO ONE is saying they couldn't censor every forum, but they CAN'T control the OSR, because it's decentralized, heck make a blockchain store and then they can't even stop you from selling.

True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.  So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?  You don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?  How will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?  They don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.  They just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

And then there's the fact that any info you do have on the internet is likely hosted on somebody else's server. So even if you set up your own non-woke company for PDF distribution, where are you going to host it? Amazon took down Parler pretty much because it was making Twitter look bad, and now you don't really hear about Parler anymore. The wokists literally have nothing better to do with their lives than hunt every contact you have down and try to get you isolated from them in one way or another. They will make sure that if your business sells the wrong thing (as determined by the woke "standards" of any given day, you won't have a company to process the online transactions from your store. Gun accessory sellers - who don't have FFLs and don't sell actual guns - are running into this issue right now. They will get the relevant parties to close your communication servers (discord, Mastodon, etc.), making it difficult to communicate. Doesn't even matter if nobody on your server is offended, if they find out that you're saying or doing things they don't approve of, they'll shut you down.

They don't have to show up at a person's house; they can very easily cut your means of communication and distribution. Particularly when the companies that provide those services are run by wokists and/or cowards.

Greetings!

More and more, every day, that all of these injustices continue, all of the Libtards giggling and crowing--as normal Americans suffer and are persecuted--this is why America needs to be cleansed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Having actually read a history book or two, I am going to find it very interesting - and not a little bit funny - to watch these woke idiots get the world they're pushing for. Because when they realize what that actually means, they really aren't going to like it. Once the revolution takes hold, it always eat its own, and it always starts with the rabble-rousers.

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 08, 2023, 06:28:34 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 08, 2023, 02:18:47 PM
Greetings!

Hmmm. I could see getting some use out of a book that covers insanity and mental and physical illnesses and mind-blasting deformities. I often use Insane Asylums, Leper Colonies, and Children's Orphanages in my campaigns, so having some handy charts and stuff that details how the diseased, insane, unwashed masses are afflicted can be useful and interesting.

Just imagine, HORDES of such deformed, dysfunctional people. All shrieking, begging in the streets, barking at each other, or talking to themselves. Shouting ferociously and swearing at the clouds.

I've seen people like this in real life. It's surreal, tragic, but also amusing, in some ways. I've seen people at bus stops arguing loudly...with only themselves, and then smacking themselves in the face with their own fist, swearing and growling at some imagined opponent they are arguing with.

In a grocery store, near an entrance, I saw a decent-looking, adult woman--maybe mid-thirties, shouting at herself. Then, she starting arguing with some imaginary man, and yelling at him to EFF her good, and yelling various sexualized pronouncements and exhortations. Periodically, she would look right at you, and start talking to YOU, exhorting you to get with her, and so on, and then she would switch back to her imaginary argument or encounter.

Definitely some strange stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I once went to a grocery store to grab some food for lunch and there was this old woman yelling in the parking lot. I thought she was yelling at her son, but she ended up coming inside and kept yelling randomly in the vegetable section. It was something about how her husband was a cheater and her daughter was a slut, I think (it's been a while). Eventually the manager and a couple of security guys showed up and told her she had to leave. She acknowledged it very nicely, then proceeded to call them names and tell them they had a shitty store on the way out. Definitely one of the more interesting experiences I've ever had.

Greetings!

Definitely, man! So many brain-wrecked beasts wandering our society.

From a DM point of view, I can see how a book like Limited Adventurers or whatever it is--can be useful, and even entertaining to a point. I can also see how it could become overkill and dull, with players *longing* to simply encounter some normal people again! *Laughing*. I have a town in my Thandor campaign that is entirely full of insane, mentally-ill and mutated freaks.

My players survived several game sessions there, but it was close. They were on the edge of losing their minds from being immersed in all of the ass-backwards customs, and dealing with cripples and frothing insane people every day.

I finally allowed them to finish up several quests, and escape from the hellscape town. *Laughing*

The party cheered in joy!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM
Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.

They really don't.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM
So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?

There are plenty of places to publish it or sell it from my own website 

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PMYou don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?

Not unless they want to talk to my attorney they won't.  I will make it really loud and really nasty.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PMHow will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?

Those are both places that The RPGPundit is banned from.  He uses social media and other places to advertise his material.  And he makes a living on it.   Me? If I were going to sell game material it would be as a side gig.  I wouldn't be doing it for a living.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PMThey don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.

Because they cannot.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PMThey just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

With social media out there and so many places to chose from, they can't stop me from getting the word out.

As they said in the movie Serenity "You can't stop the signal"

Quote from: SHARK on April 08, 2023, 06:51:40 PM

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 08, 2023, 06:28:34 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 08, 2023, 02:18:47 PM
Greetings!

Hmmm. I could see getting some use out of a book that covers insanity and mental and physical illnesses and mind-blasting deformities. I often use Insane Asylums, Leper Colonies, and Children's Orphanages in my campaigns, so having some handy charts and stuff that details how the diseased, insane, unwashed masses are afflicted can be useful and interesting.

Just imagine, HORDES of such deformed, dysfunctional people. All shrieking, begging in the streets, barking at each other, or talking to themselves. Shouting ferociously and swearing at the clouds.

I've seen people like this in real life. It's surreal, tragic, but also amusing, in some ways. I've seen people at bus stops arguing loudly...with only themselves, and then smacking themselves in the face with their own fist, swearing and growling at some imagined opponent they are arguing with.

In a grocery store, near an entrance, I saw a decent-looking, adult woman--maybe mid-thirties, shouting at herself. Then, she starting arguing with some imaginary man, and yelling at him to EFF her good, and yelling various sexualized pronouncements and exhortations. Periodically, she would look right at you, and start talking to YOU, exhorting you to get with her, and so on, and then she would switch back to her imaginary argument or encounter.

Definitely some strange stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I once went to a grocery store to grab some food for lunch and there was this old woman yelling in the parking lot. I thought she was yelling at her son, but she ended up coming inside and kept yelling randomly in the vegetable section. It was something about how her husband was a cheater and her daughter was a slut, I think (it's been a while). Eventually the manager and a couple of security guys showed up and told her she had to leave. She acknowledged it very nicely, then proceeded to call them names and tell them they had a shitty store on the way out. Definitely one of the more interesting experiences I've ever had.

Greetings!

Definitely, man! So many brain-wrecked beasts wandering our society.

From a DM point of view, I can see how a book like Limited Adventurers or whatever it is--can be useful, and even entertaining to a point. I can also see how it could become overkill and dull, with players *longing* to simply encounter some normal people again! *Laughing*. I have a town in my Thandor campaign that is entirely full of insane, mentally-ill and mutated freaks.

My players survived several game sessions there, but it was close. They were on the edge of losing their minds from being immersed in all of the ass-backwards customs, and dealing with cripples and frothing insane people every day.

I finally allowed them to finish up several quests, and escape from the hellscape town. *Laughing*

The party cheered in joy!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

The problem with those types of books is that I can pretty much guarantee that the mental illness stuff will be handled with kid gloves. I have an RPG I've been working on that's been on the backburner for a while (need to get back to it) that is a Cthulhu Mythos game. I had somebody ask me how I was going to handle the sanity part of it because they were concerned that it was such a touchy subject for so many people. Now, I'm not going to delight in portraying the very real emotional and social damage from real mental illness, but I'm also not going to downplay it, either. My philosophy is that if you can't handle the kinds of themes a game presents, don't play the game. I'm not going to alter my work to make somebody else feel better about themselves. I'm also not going to apologize for shit I've never said and beliefs I've never held, a rather annoying and stupid trend I've seen with any game that involves anything Lovecraft ever touched.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 08, 2023, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 04:36:42 PM
True.  They could censor/stop the new edition coming out in 2024 but there is nothing they can do about someone putting out something with mixed races or slavery for 5e because it's Creative Commons.   

By making 5e CC they shot themselves in the foot when it comes to censoring products.

Unless, of course, they were to control the vast majority of the information sources that gamers can use to find out about "problematic" content.  Which they (and their allies) do.  So, let's say you want to produce material that WotC and the woke brigades disapprove of.  Where are you going to publish it?  You don't think DTRPG/OBS won't immediately fall in line?  How will prospective players find out about your material?  RPGnet?  ENWorld?  They don't need to stop you from playing the way you want.  They just need to not promote/acknowledge/transmit your work and let you languish alone...

The Creative Commons move is a similar bet to the OGL. They are betting that they can expand the network with 3rd party content - so they accept a minor drop in sales, while increasing the value of the brand. The new third party content will only minorly interfere with WotC sales, but will mostly take over risky and/or low-profit adventures.

As long as no third party brand gets mainstream traction like Pathfinder did, then D&D remains the most recognizable brand name and the center of the network.

Regarding censorship...

I suspect that Hasbro profits from politically incorrect third-party content, as long as it is doesn't get associated with their brand name. It
helps them keep stoking the fires of controversy, by selling to their liberal base as "those other people would hate it that we're publishing this".

I also suspect that by extending the network, it may help recruit moderate conservative players. The hard core might never play, but a casual player introduced via the OSR might later play with 5E players. In general, adjacent networks can help the core network, as long as they're recruiting players around the edges rather than stealing the base.

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 07, 2023, 11:48:04 PM
For that matter, why isn't dwarfism considered a disability in RPGs?

It is, in Gurps and Hero. Both games use the "a disadvantage hinders you, which is why it provides extra points" model. This methodology has assumptions that are contrary to the current Woke narrative.

Quote from: Aglondir on April 08, 2023, 09:53:29 PM

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 07, 2023, 11:48:04 PM
For that matter, why isn't dwarfism considered a disability in RPGs?

It is, in Gurps and Hero. Both games use the "a disadvantage hinders you, which is why it provides extra points" model. This methodology has assumptions that are contrary to the current Woke narrative.

Fair - but on the other hand, it's also true that GURPS and HERO often have heroes with disabilities, which is something that a number of posters have argued against. We had some discussion of this a few years back in FATE discussion and a follow-up thread I started.

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/essay-gurps-and-the-fate-accessibility-toolkit/
Essay: "GURPS and the Fate Accessibility Toolkit"

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/cool-uses-of-disabilities-in-games/
Cool uses of disabilities in games

Quote from: jhkim on April 09, 2023, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Aglondir on April 08, 2023, 09:53:29 PM

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on April 07, 2023, 11:48:04 PM
For that matter, why isn't dwarfism considered a disability in RPGs?

It is, in Gurps and Hero. Both games use the "a disadvantage hinders you, which is why it provides extra points" model. This methodology has assumptions that are contrary to the current Woke narrative.

Fair - but on the other hand, it's also true that GURPS and HERO often have heroes with disabilities, which is something that a number of posters have argued against. We had some discussion of this a few years back in FATE discussion and a follow-up thread I started.

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/essay-gurps-and-the-fate-accessibility-toolkit/
Essay: "GURPS and the Fate Accessibility Toolkit"

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/cool-uses-of-disabilities-in-games/
Cool uses of disabilities in games

Really? Someone has argued against having Daredevil? Professor X?

I'm gonna need to see some evidence of that.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 09, 2023, 03:21:00 AM

Quote from: jhkim on April 09, 2023, 02:51:25 AM
Fair - but on the other hand, it's also true that GURPS and HERO often have heroes with disabilities, which is something that a number of posters have argued against. We had some discussion of this a few years back in FATE discussion and a follow-up thread I started.

Really? Someone has argued against having Daredevil? Professor X?

I'm gonna need to see some evidence of that.

I mean, you were around for these discussion. These are some comments from the latter thread.

Quote from: SHARK on February 22, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
I think all of this "deep effort" to include disabilities and focus on disabled characters is honestly pathetic, pandering, disrespectful, and entirely in poor taste.

I don't find anything funny about it, or particularly "sensitive" to include such rules in a game. It's bullshit.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on February 22, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
As a person with a mental disability I can say this.  FUCK ANYONE ONE THAT DRAGS DISABILITIES INTO ANY GAME!  Can we just have our fucking escapism where we play as people that are far better and more heroic than us?  Can we just do that?

Quote from: ElBorak on February 28, 2020, 01:02:10 AM
I agree with this, IMO there are no cool ways to include disabilities in a game.

There was earlier discussion of this as well. I think the problem was that discussion of disabilities started with discussion of left-leaning products like the FATE Accessibility book and Sara Thompson's combat wheelchair -- and many posters went from there to saying that any disabled characters were unsuitable as PCs.