Quote from: strollofturtle on December 23, 2024, 02:46:32 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 02:25:02 PMIf you feel I made an inaccurate "most nerds" statement, you can quote it and I will evaluate it and see if I was imprecise.

The exact post I quoted originally, #223. But you know that.

That's a lie, I don't memorize RPGsite post numbers and I don't believe you think I do.

QuoteAt this point the logical conclusion is that you are being disingenuous

It's never logical to assume wrongdoing without proof.

Anyway scrolling back to that post I say "Most people x" "Most people y"

And that was indeed imprecise.

I apologize if anyone took that information, assumed it was true, and made any bad decisions based on it.

What I should have wrote instead of "Most people" was "In my experience, most people in the online RPG community that I'm aware of..."

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify, I'll leave a note back at post #223 referencing this.

Quote from: katiefol on December 23, 2024, 02:22:29 PMnot necessarily, depends on how "people" are being grouped.

If someone were grouping humanity in any way that categorized a large enough portion of the population as "not people" I would consider that a sociopathic thought process.

Assuming that's not what you meant, such a specific frame of reference would need to be indicated at least. That is not what happened in this context.

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 02:52:13 PMThat's a lie, I don't memorize RPGsite post numbers.

Never claimed you did.

QuoteIt's never logical to assume wrongdoing without proof.

I agree, that's why I did not assume without proof, I posited a logical conclusion based on your responses. 

QuoteAnyway scrolling back to that post I say "Most people x" "Most people y"

And that was indeed imprecise.

I apologize if anyone took that information, assumed it was true, and made any bad decisions based on it.

What I should have wrote instead of "Most people" was "In my experience, most people in the online RPG community that I'm aware of..."

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify, I'll leave a note back at post #223 referencing this.

Fair enough.

QuoteNever claimed you did.

Then we disagree over the interpretation of your statement.

Since your statement is on this same page, anyone who needs to decide which of us is right (which I suspect is no-one) can look here and decide for themselves.

Quote

QuoteIt's never logical to assume wrongdoing without proof.

I agree, that's why I did not assume without proof, I posited a logical conclusion based on your responses.

State the proof that you used to come to this false conclusion.

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 03:03:51 PMThen we disagree over the interpretation of your statement.

No, I literally never said anything of the sort. If you have to add words of your own invention to another person's statement to create the meaning of your interpretation, then your interpretation is false.

QuoteState the proof that you used to come to this false conclusion.

I'm not convinced that my conclusion was false yet, it was very clear how I came to it based on the exchange thus far. If you had simply replied with the apology and clarification you offered in your previous post, that would not have cast any doubts.

Not that it matters. I don't particularly care if you are being forthright and honest or not. I'm an infrequent poster here at best, and have no investment or interest in your reputation here, or the hobby at large, and I'm certainly not the target audience for any of your products. I simply fact-checked your statements, and it's good that you admitted to them being misleading. As far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

Quote from: strollofturtle on December 23, 2024, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 03:03:51 PMThen we disagree over the interpretation of your statement.

No, I literally never said anything of the sort. If you have to add words of your own invention to another person's statement to create the meaning of your interpretation, then your interpretation is false.

There's no reason to keep typing. You'll never convince me, I will never convince you.

All the information necessary to evaluate your statement is on this same page. People can read your claim about what I know and decide for themselves if your veracity is something they care about (which I suspect they do not).

Quote

QuoteState the proof that you used to come to this false conclusion.

I'm not convinced that my conclusion was false yet, it was very clear...

You didn't post proof.

Case closed.

Yeah! I guess there's a lesson somewhere in here. I'm not sure what it is - probably something along the line of "be as clear as possible when talking to people because people can and will decide that you meant something else".
Story of my life.

The case does seem closed.

Quote from: Xaxus on December 23, 2024, 04:41:40 PMYeah! I guess there's a lesson somewhere in here. I'm not sure what it is - probably something along the line of "be as clear as possible when talking to people because people can and will decide that you meant something else".
Story of my life.

Nah.

If you are casual and assume a level of intelligence on the reader's part some people will misunderstand or use the inch to take a mile and pretend to misunderstand.

If you are artificially super-clear and assume nothing then some people will say you're autistic and/or have some sort of fetish for rigid speech (which is, in itself, a misinterpretation of intent).

Misinterpretation is inevitable, period. The best you can do is be as clear as possible and know that anyone of good will would directly locate you and ask for clarification if they think anything fishy is going on.

Damn if you do, damn if you dodn't.

Hi all.

My biggest take from Zak's original message is this one:

" There are a lot of you. You send messages of support, you ask for game stuff I make, you are lovely and-frankly-it's really hard to find you or talk to you."

It's not a marketing scheme, it's not a gimmick to place "wicked sleeper agents" to do his "underhanded bidding" nor is it to sabotage these communities. Far from it, his request is to simply ask people to engage and contribute to each of these websites which is what we, as gamers, do anyway. Does he want to have more non-overly judgmental people in these communities? Sure, who doesn't? I don't see what the issue is other than the skepticism around this thread.

Yeah, having nice people in the communities does help.

Quote from: Xaxus on December 23, 2024, 05:06:19 PMYeah, having nice people in the communities does help.

Oh, you must be new here.

Quote from: katiefol on December 23, 2024, 01:58:41 PMBut, as soon as it turns into personal critique and opinion and misinformation based on THAT -- it becomes judgement. And that should be halted.

First... what?  Judgment is a vital part of human cognition.  Judgment is how our ancient ancestors decided whether to scurry up the tree when the grass started waving or whether it was just the wind.  Someone without the capacity for judgment would be completely incapable from telling truth from falsehood, believable from unbelievable.  So, I don't know what you are expecting here, but no one with any sense is going to stop judging everyone and everything.

Second, it is my sincerest hope that half of these new accounts are sock puppets (I have no proof of this, but I certainly hope they are).  Because, if you are actual people, you are the saddest, most pathetic group of followers I've ever experienced.  Seriously, there is no one, and I mean no one, in my 50+ years of life who I would simp for to the level that some of you have for Zack.  It's actually creepy, like cult-deprogramming-worthy creepy.  If you are what "non-judgmental" looks like... well, it's a good thing that most people are very judgmental...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2024, 09:29:10 PM

Quote from: katiefol on December 23, 2024, 01:58:41 PMBut, as soon as it turns into personal critique and opinion and misinformation based on THAT -- it becomes judgement. And that should be halted.

First... what?  Judgment is a vital part of human cognition.  Judgment is how our ancient ancestors decided whether to scurry up the tree when the grass started waving or whether it was just the wind.  Someone without the capacity for judgment would be completely incapable from telling truth from falsehood, believable from unbelievable.  So, I don't know what you are expecting here, but no one with any sense is going to stop judging everyone and everything.

Second, it is my sincerest hope that half of these new accounts are sock puppets (I have no proof of this, but I certainly hope they are).  Because, if you are actual people, you are the saddest, most pathetic group of followers I've ever experienced.  Seriously, there is no one, and I mean no one, in my 50+ years of life who I would simp for to the level that some of you have for Zack.  It's actually creepy, like cult-deprogramming-worthy creepy.  If you are what "non-judgmental" looks like... well, it's a good thing that most people are very judgmental...

Greetings!

Hey there Eirikrautha! You know, something else I have noticed about some people. They conduct their social interactions and conversations like everyone involved is on trial in a court. That kind of legalistic approach to conversation and socializing to be eye-rollingly annoying, and kind of sad. Such an approach to socializing and conversation demonstrates a huge chip on their shoulder and likely long-standing social problems.

All of the yammering about "Misinformation" and calls to "Prove It!" or "You need to show evidence!" Blah Blah. No, people don't. The people yammering on like that can pound sound. Fucking conversations between people face to face or even here, especially online, are not college debates or episodes of fucking court trials. You know? It's like, Geesus, man. Get a life, and go outside and touch grass. *Laughing*

For myself, personally, whenever we are engaged in friendly conversations for example about History, or politics, political events, and the like, I don't mind posting some references and such in order to persuade or to make a solid argument. The yapping demands for "Proof" and "Evidence!" Geesh. That is so often just shreaking histrionics and a two-pronged attempt at one-upping themselves in the conversation, and otherwise seeking to manipulate and pollute the conversation into some legalistic debate. So tiresome. *Laughing*

And yeah, some of the new arrivals seem to be weird sycophantic cultists. *Laughing* My FRIENDS don't even simp like that--and they would actually suffer to help me.

All the crying about "You are so judgmental!" Yeah, that's right. People need to be judgmental. Our society is full of corrupted, narcissistic, entitled degenerates that don't believe they can be judged for anything, by anyone.

As you know, they are wrong. People judge others all the time for all kinds of things, and will continue to do so. Such is life.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK