Quote from: Becami on December 18, 2024, 06:28:32 PM

Quote from: Xaxus on December 18, 2024, 06:00:22 PMMy bad, man. There's nothing wrong with having sex just once. Or more than once, either. Sex is good!

I really wish I could hear Jeff Bridges read this out as The Dude.
It has serious dude energy.

You mean--coitus?

Could you please not bring in those French terms?

Quote from: Zak S on December 16, 2024, 02:47:57 AM

Quote from: Ruprecht on December 15, 2024, 10:43:16 PMI have a question for Zak.
Why did so many people try to destroy you in the wake of the Mandy claims?

Ask Neil Gaiman, Kehinde Wiley and Ed Piskor.

He got eaten by his own leftist ideologues.
Being a white male whoremonger is the absolute bottom of the oppression pyramid.

And many of us on the right just laugh...

Did this thread just devolve into saying "LOL Zak has had sex you losers!" to a bunch of old, married guys?

Wtf..

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 18, 2024, 02:14:11 PMUse of the word 'community'

The community

At first, I thought you were just being disingenuous to justify Being Outraged and going on the offensive.  I have since realized that you are just really stupid and have very poor reading comprehension.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 18, 2024, 05:21:30 AMI have seen nothing from you or the people who are presumably here at your behest in this thread that even remotely resembles any attempt at community-building.

I am of being new to the online RPG communities and am having found many great conversations over the last few weeks of which I was not having previously.  I am only been living in the United States for fifteen months, and was speaking of D&D only to friends and people of my local cafe.  Now I am participating in community map building, having conversations of hardships of which I have been having in my life, and am meeting new people.  How is this not being of community-building?

All this talk of "building the community" by essentially paying people to post (to "pay" is to give something of value to someone in exchange for an action or service, so this whole book-for-posting thing is 100% a payment) just shows how delusional Zak and his goblins are.  You build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value.  This has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent.  Look at the content spammed across multiple threads by folks with under 20 post counts.

Anyone who has worked for a large corporation or organization will be familiar with HR-induced "professional development workshops " or the like.  Usually it involves watching or reading some corporate propaganda, and then posting on the company messag boards some kind of feedback (with specific criteria, like "You must.ask two questions about the topic of the workshop, and answer three questions your colleagues have asked").  If you read the responses that get posted from these workshops, they are the most generic, banal, and pointless comments, only done so that the employees can keep their jobs.

Congratulations, Zak, you've brought corporate HR bullshit to RPG message boards.  For every post that might have an iota of signal, there have been a dozen that are two-sentence generic comments that are nothing but noise.  Read them yourself.  Outside of emotion-laden testimonials extolling your 'virtues," the vast majority of the new posters since your letter have been perfunctory and generic.  Some community.

I understand why Pundit doesn't mind; the more eyes here mean more eyes on his products.  But the delusion that simply by paying people to post something to these message boards will inculcate some kind of community is laughable at best.  Quality beats quantity.  If you were capable of self-reflection, you'd be embarrassed at how sophomoric your idea was.  But luckily, you appear incapable of that...

QuoteYou build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value

And people do that. But they didn't all go "LETS MAIL IT TO THAT TROLL NAMED ELKMOTHER OR WHATEVER!!!"

QuoteThis has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent

What: in the thread where you personally lying is addressed? You find no value in your lie being called out ?

I am sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that-- to the liar being caught lying doesn't seem cool and good.

Again: if you think the main benefit of "community" appears ONLY where people are cleaning up after your mess you are not thinking straight. There are lots of things that constitute community activity that you not only don't know about--you didn't even think to ASK before making that judgment.

This has already been said in the thread, which means you can't read--or, worse, you can but chose to say some shit without reading.

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 11:56:26 PM

QuoteYou build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value

And people do that. But they didn't all go "LETS MAIL IT TO THAT TROLL NAMED ELKMOTHER OR WHATEVER!!!"

QuoteThis has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent

What: in the thread where you personally lying is addressed? You find no value in your lie being called out ?

I am sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that-- to the liar being caught lying doesn't seem cool and good.

Again: if you think the main benefit of "community" appears ONLY where people are cleaning up after your mess you are not thinking straight. There are lots of things that constitute community activity that you not only don't know about--you didn't even think to ASK before making that judgment.

This has already been said in the thread, which means you can't read--or, worse, you can but chose to say some shit without reading.

STARFISH HITLER HAS GRACED US WITH HIS WISDOM!!

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 11:56:26 PM

QuoteYou build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value

And people do that. But they didn't all go "LETS MAIL IT TO THAT TROLL NAMED ELKMOTHER OR WHATEVER!!!"

QuoteThis has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent

What: in the thread where you personally lying is addressed? You find no value in your lie being called out ?

I am sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that-- to the liar being caught lying doesn't seem cool and good.

Again: if you think the main benefit of "community" appears ONLY where people are cleaning up after your mess you are not thinking straight. There are lots of things that constitute community activity that you not only don't know about--you didn't even think to ASK before making that judgment.

This has already been said in the thread, which means you can't read--or, worse, you can but chose to say some shit without reading.

Except I didn't lie, as I never mentioned you in the post you quoted.  You assumed it was an accusation, rather than a statement.   You spread misinformation about that post, and have refused to correct your misinformation.  If your stated goal is to reduce misinformation, you have already failed, as you've added to the amount of it here, rather than reduced it.  So you've failed at everything you have stated as your rationale for this stunt.  So what is the real motivation, or are you just this inept?

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 19, 2024, 06:44:27 AMExcept I didn't lie,

Again (and I've said this before):

We disagree on the meaning of your comment on the first page of this thread.

We don't have to explain it here by typing, because literally anyone who can read this and cares can go back to the first page of the thread and decide for themselves whether they agree with me (you mischaracterized what I said as asking people to "say nice things") or you (you didn't do that and weren't referring to me or my text at all).

Your claim is that your take and actions are based on the premise that your interpretation of your comment on page 1 is correct.
My take and actions are based on the premise that my interpretation of your comment on page1 is correct.

We will not persuade one another and all the information we can provide on the subject to any reader is provided already. You do not have to keep typing.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 19, 2024, 06:44:27 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 11:56:26 PM

QuoteYou build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value

And people do that. But they didn't all go "LETS MAIL IT TO THAT TROLL NAMED ELKMOTHER OR WHATEVER!!!"

QuoteThis has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent

What: in the thread where you personally lying is addressed? You find no value in your lie being called out ?

I am sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that-- to the liar being caught lying doesn't seem cool and good.

Again: if you think the main benefit of "community" appears ONLY where people are cleaning up after your mess you are not thinking straight. There are lots of things that constitute community activity that you not only don't know about--you didn't even think to ASK before making that judgment.

This has already been said in the thread, which means you can't read--or, worse, you can but chose to say some shit without reading.

Except I didn't lie, as I never mentioned you in the post you quoted.  You assumed it was an accusation, rather than a statement.   You spread misinformation about that post, and have refused to correct your misinformation.  If your stated goal is to reduce misinformation, you have already failed, as you've added to the amount of it here, rather than reduced it.  So you've failed at everything you have stated as your rationale for this stunt.  So what is the real motivation, or are you just this inept?

His interpretation/opinion is proven fact in his addled mind

Yours is missinformation if it paints him on a bad light.

He's a leftard, his real motivation is power and control, to be able to censor and ban those he deems terribad scum.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on December 19, 2024, 11:58:04 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 19, 2024, 06:44:27 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 11:56:26 PM

QuoteYou build a community with like-minded people sharing information of value

And people do that. But they didn't all go "LETS MAIL IT TO THAT TROLL NAMED ELKMOTHER OR WHATEVER!!!"

QuoteThis has been going on for a few days now, and the lack of value is apparent

What: in the thread where you personally lying is addressed? You find no value in your lie being called out ?

I am sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that-- to the liar being caught lying doesn't seem cool and good.

Again: if you think the main benefit of "community" appears ONLY where people are cleaning up after your mess you are not thinking straight. There are lots of things that constitute community activity that you not only don't know about--you didn't even think to ASK before making that judgment.

This has already been said in the thread, which means you can't read--or, worse, you can but chose to say some shit without reading.

Except I didn't lie, as I never mentioned you in the post you quoted.  You assumed it was an accusation, rather than a statement.   You spread misinformation about that post, and have refused to correct your misinformation.  If your stated goal is to reduce misinformation, you have already failed, as you've added to the amount of it here, rather than reduced it.  So you've failed at everything you have stated as your rationale for this stunt.  So what is the real motivation, or are you just this inept?

His interpretation/opinion is proven fact in his addled mind

Yours is missinformation if it paints him on a bad light.

He's a leftard, his real motivation is power and control, to be able to censor and ban those he deems terribad scum.

Incorrect.

The fact that comment is a claim about the content is accurate, regardless of whether it makes me look good or bad.

Eiracheface denying that doesn't open up a second, equally valid possibilty: that it is just a comment wholly unrelated.

However, nothing anyone could say here could make it plainer.

It's like if he said that its raining when its not: since anyone who can read this can walk outside so there is no point in arguing it.

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 18, 2024, 02:16:30 PM

Quote from: BlueWave on December 18, 2024, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 16, 2024, 03:25:42 PMI see a human being who has done more good for the rpg industry by creating amazing products for it, winning awards for that, being absolutely shat on by a huge number of people who are apparently motivated by jealousy and by their appeasement to a toxic echo-chamber. Sock-puppets who are repeating the same stale claims which have long ago been debunked with evidence. Those same people ignoring the evidence and continue to shit on him.

He is responsible for his behaviour, you are responsible for yours. The toxicity is self-evident.

Meanwhile, it is Zaks books which are selling for $1000 each and not yours. That is how much value and respect people outside of the toxic hate mob have for him. Earlier on this thread you had people effectively funding the RPG industry at media and promotions level come in here to defend him by explaining that despite the allegations, what Zak was saying is actually true.

The sock puppets continue repeating the same debunked hatred regardless of that. It's not worth repeating the same cycle of the same words if trolls are simply ignoring it.

What debunked hatred is being repeated and where has it been debunked? You are just spouting whatever programming has been hastily poured into your tiny plastic mind before you are sent out to function as a human spam bot, and you have been told to repeat that everything has been debunked already in lieu of dealing with it. Your price for this wretched servitude is an rpg book.

I repeat, page 37 to 38, 11 of Zaks statements were found to be false.

Quote"The Court's Finding that Smith's February 13 facebook post contains False Statements, as identified above, does not end the inquiry. To qualify as libel, the statement must "expose [] [the plaintiff] [] to hatred, contempt, ridicule ,obliquy, or...cause [] [plaintiff] to be shunned or avoided, or...ha[ve] a tendency to injure plaintiff in his occupation." 

By the standards of the Superior Court of California, Zak has made false claims and the rest of these thread dwellers have not. Now there might be reasons for those false claims, but conveniently, these can be ignored, as Zak himself has stated repeatedly that spreading misinformation is the same as lying and liars should not be believed.

If you abide by Zaks moral code, you have to act according to it and hold him and yourselves accountable. If not it is fake nonsense, rules for thee but not for me, and we should treat you as an invasive species. 

Here is the lawsuit again, just so that it is crystal clear what I am quoting, and what I am saying. The lawsuit concerns defamation, it is clear that in one instance out of 8, Vivka Grey did indeed commit defamation. But something is not automatically true because it is not defamation, as the paragraph indicates.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mnjjavkgiyken3wfu8vui/1936638092-1-43.pdf?rlkey=em24q9sa0tnhvhuuh2o2qyfgp&e=1&dl=0

Many people don't understand how legal language and court processes work, and that can cause confusion. In legal terms, the phrase "false claim" doesn't mean someone is lying. Instead, it means the court has decided that a specific point isn't relevant to the case and won't be considered. The terms "true" and "false" in this context are just tools to decide which facts the court will focus on, not a judgment about whether something is honest or truthful.

Courts don't deal with absolute truth—they operate based on rules and procedures to make decisions. It's frustrating to see people misunderstand these terms and use that misunderstanding to fuel personal agendas. When a court says something is "false," it only means the judge has ruled it doesn't belong in the case. It has nothing to do with whether it's honest or true in the broader sense outside of the courtroom.

Ah, a coherent response. Good job.

So, you will find that I have not accused Zak of lying. I only stated the following: That by legal defenition (here I separate it from absolute truth explicitly), he was the only person in this entire thread to have made 11 false claims, based on the judgement of the Superior Court of California on his 2019 facebook post (p. 37 and p.38). Zak responded that this was '100% false' after which he responded that he did not understand what I thought I was saying, which is all the more confusing and bizarrely evasive. It seems that you agree with me that I was correct.

I of course brought up the legal document, which may be found here, and pointed at the relevant sections (p. 37 and p.38). You will also find a definition of what constitutes 'Falsity' on page 15. which does not seem to fully align with your own. He made several claims that were verifiably false, not merely inaccurate, by the standards of the court.

The first responses were bizarrely evasive, pointing to the verdict of the defamation court case (the distinction between falsehood and defamation is made on page 38), bringing up the settlement of Cam Banks (which is irrelevant) and referring to having 'skin in the game.' 

So my first statement: 'By legal standards, Zak is the only person in this thread that can be said to have made false claims' seems to be true. Falsehood does not mean lies. Of course Zak, as an ardent opponent of misinformation of all kinds, and who has often made the claim that not fact-checking is tantamount to lying, is now in the unfortunate position where he seems to be the only person that can legally be said to have not fact-checked and to have made false claims. 

So legally speaking, Zak is the only person in this thread to have made 11 false claims, as deemed by the Superior Court in California in his 2019 Facebook post.

 

Cam

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 01:37:55 PM

Quote from: BlueWave on December 18, 2024, 01:26:53 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 18, 2024, 01:18:21 PM

Quote from: BlueWave on December 18, 2024, 01:11:30 PMalotta gibberish

Look, if whatever you think you found when your uninformed ass cherry-picked out of that case that I won, nobody who had any skin in the game found anything because here's the next result:

Still not seeing any engagement with the actual content there. Maybe you can bring up you won the lawsuit next time? Maybe that will fool the audience just a tad longer?

This is very 2019 facebook post false claims making behavior.

Actual content?
There is no actual content. You (well, Skerples) cherry-picked something you claim is true that I did that was bad buried in the decision in the case that I won. It is not true--it is spin. If it were true I would be in jail or at least charged with something--even just perjury.

Anybody need clarity on whether it was real? There is clarity, because there was another case afterward, and the result was:

So that bats cleanup on however important you thought your bullshit was.

You seem to be confusing the statements of Cam Banks (Vivka Grey) with those you yourself made about Vivka Grey in the lawsuit, which may be viewed here. Whether or not Cam Banks has said anything false is irrelevant to whether or not, by legal standards, you can be said to have legally made false statements, which you did no less then 11 times in your 2019 facebook post, based on the evaluation of the Superior Court of California.

Do you concur that, by legal standards, you are the only person in this thread that can be said to have made false claims? And if so, if by legal standards you can be said to have spread misinformation, which you deem very serious, what do you think your punishment should be?