Quote from: GnomeWorks on December 15, 2024, 05:04:10 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 04:53:54 PMThese two:

You are such a godsdamned illiterate shitbag.

Pundit didn't fucking claim that you said people had to say nice things about whatever work you shit out, you fucking buffoon. He was pointing out that by engaging in this kind of idiocy, people are going to assume that whenever someone says something positive about your shit they're doing it because they're sucking up to you and want free shit.

Can you please for the love of fuck go be retarded somewhere else?

Could you please rewrite that in a way that makes sense?

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 05:12:32 PMCould you please rewrite that in a way that makes sense?

Didn't I tell you to go play in traffic? Get on that.

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 04:53:54 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 04:47:22 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 12:29:33 PMAgain, this started because the front page has people falsely claiming people who want the book have to "say nice things about me" or the work.

Who said that?

These two:

Are you getting more imprecise with your super precise totally objective such-an-intellectual definition of words in your old age, Zak?

Because it is very clear that I did not say what you claim. I did not say that "people who want the book have to say nice things about you or the work".

What I said was that people who now say nice things will be under a shadow of doubt by others as to whether they are doing it under compulsion of some offer.

Those are not the same thing. In the case of what you said you're implying I stated "Zak S is  demanding that people say nice things about him to get merch". That is objectively untrue.

What I was in fact stating was that "because Zak S wrote a secret and highly detailed list of instructions to people to join and start posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile"), and that sometime before january 8th they would all receive a NEWS UPDATE AND ZAK NEWS UPDATE, and he then ordered said people to make comments, and may get asked to write "further helpful comments" in any situation where there's news about him, NORMAL PEOPLE may interpret all that as meaning that this is directed astroturf support in exchange for a book."

Of course, that's only one thing they might interpret. As the term "brigading" implies, some people might imagine it would imply something far worse than just a cheering section.

Of course it needn't necessarily be anything like that. You might just be intending it as, like, a really elaborate really micromanaged version of when I write "Spread the word, share the video" as a reply to fans of my youtube videos, but with the added helpful details of where, how and what they should post and how soon, and with the promise of receiving a $1000 book if they follow instructions precisely. Nothing weird about that at all...

Quote from: RPGPundit...posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile")

Zak has been 100% accurate about that so far

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:14:05 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 04:53:54 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 04:47:22 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 12:29:33 PMAgain, this started because the front page has people falsely claiming people who want the book have to "say nice things about me" or the work.

Who said that?

These two:

Are you getting more imprecise with your super precise totally objective such-an-intellectual definition of words in your old age, Zak?

Because it is very clear that I did not say what you claim. I did not say that "people who want the book have to say nice things about you or the work".

What I said was that people who now say nice things will be under a shadow of doubt by others as to whether they are doing it under compulsion of some offer.

Those are not the same thing. In the case of what you said you're implying I stated "Zak S is  demanding that people say nice things about him to get merch". That is objectively untrue.

What I was in fact stating was that "because Zak S wrote a secret and highly detailed list of instructions to people to join and start posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile"), and that sometime before january 8th they would all receive a NEWS UPDATE AND ZAK NEWS UPDATE, and he then ordered said people to make comments, and may get asked to write "further helpful comments" in any situation where there's news about him, NORMAL PEOPLE may interpret all that as meaning that this is directed astroturf support in exchange for a book."

Of course, that's only one thing they might interpret. As the term "brigading" implies, some people might imagine it would imply something far worse than just a cheering section.

Of course it needn't necessarily be anything like that. You might just be intending it as, like, a really elaborate really micromanaged version of when I write "Spread the word, share the video" as a reply to fans of my youtube videos, but with the added helpful details of where, how and what they should post and how soon, and with the promise of receiving a $1000 book if they follow instructions precisely. Nothing weird about that at all...

If this is what you are claiming your post meant then this is what you are claiming your post meant.

My claim about what your post meant is different.

That seems kinda upside down, it's not a $1000 book (I don't know what a $1000 book should be like - sing you to sleep when you're sad? Do your taxes for you? Drive your car?), it's a free book, and some people are willing to pay 1000 bucks to get it. Maybe weird, yeah, but it's their money, there are worse ways to spend a thousand I guess

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Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 05:09:10 PM

Quote from: GnomeWorks on December 15, 2024, 05:04:10 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 04:53:54 PMThese two:

You are such a godsdamned illiterate faggot.

Pundit didn't fucking claim that you said people had to say nice things about whatever work you shit out, you fucking buffoon. He was pointing out that by engaging in this kind of idiocy, people are going to assume that whenever someone says something positive about your shit they're doing it because they're sucking up to you and want free shit.

As the text contains no transaction re: the exchange of "saying nice things" for "free shit" that is inaccurate and Pundit was negligent at best.

Plus that's clearly how people construed what he said.

Plus he used the word "brigading" which is inaccurate. Joining a website (whether you are urged to or not) and posting whatever you want on whatever topic is not brigading.

There's no way to escape the misinformation issue here.

First, these are LITERALLY instructions you sent to a list of people who wanted to get your game book for free, instead of paying $1000 dollars for the book.
If they do not follow every point (or explain why they can't, and then do some alternative thing for you), they will not get the book.

You are literally giving them precise instructions that they must follow to get the book.

As far as saying nice things about you or your products, that would be pretty much assumed because it would be really weird if you asked your fans who want to get your $1000 book for free to please publicly accuse you of crimes on your news threads. Its a natural presumption that being your fans, they will post nice things.

The problem is that now anytime anyone says nice things, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR REAL INTENTIONS WERE (I mean who knows, maybe you wanted your fans to accuse you of have sexual relations with livestock, but I do kind of figure it's more probable you wanted them to either say nice things about you and your books, or to argue with your critics), people will wonder if this was just their own instinct of support for you, or if it was because they're big fans and have a chance to get a $1000 book for free (unless they want to cover shipping for you).


SECOND: The word "brigading", at the top of the original post, was not my word. It was a word from the person who sent me this. Someone you tried to give these instructions to took it as being a call for brigading. He used that word. Someone you figured was a fan of yours who would help you by saying stuff (maybe nice stuff for/about you, maybe horrible stuff against/about you, I'm sure you'll claim its impossible to know whether you'd ask your fans to say you're a great designer or would instead ask them to post the claim that you frequently mock mothers whose babies died of crib death). One of those people took it to be about brigading.

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 05:17:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit...posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile")

Zak has been 100% accurate about that so far

How is he designating hostile? Does he just mean "there are people there who don't like me"?

Quote from: Xaxus on December 15, 2024, 05:20:54 PMThat seems kinda upside down, it's not a $1000 book (I don't know what a $1000 book should be like - sing you to sleep when you're sad? Do your taxes for you? Drive your car?), it's a free book, and some people are willing to pay 1000 bucks to get it. Maybe weird, yeah, but it's their money, there are worse ways to spend a thousand I guess

A FREE book would imply that Zak will give it to anyone, anywhere, without conditions.

WORK, which is what you are doing by following his instructions, is a form of cost. You are paying him either $1000 in money, or (depending on the real value of your time) probably considerably less than that in WORK FOR HIM, by FOLLOWING HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
If you do not follow his instructions, he will not give you the book.

So NO, it is not a free book.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:27:26 PMYou are literally giving them precise instructions that they must follow to get the book.

Yes, as does nearly any entity that distributes books. "Enter your credit card number here" etc.

QuoteAs far as saying nice things about you or your products, that would be pretty much assumed because it would be really weird if you asked your fans who want to get your $1000 book

Excluded middle fallacy:

Someone could simply post things like "Is anyone else playing Shadowrun" and fulfill the requirement.

QuoteREGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR REAL INTENTIONS WERE ...people will wonder

Yes I am not asking for your PR advice, I am just pointing out that this thread contains misinformation.

QuoteThe word "brigading", at the top of the original post, was not my word. It was a word from the person who sent me this.

Which you reproduced.

At any rate the important thing is:

You grasp and are communicating that you know it isn't brigading and you grasp and are communicating that I didn't ask anyone to say nice things about me or my workin exchange for anything.

Thank you so much for clarifying that.

If it ever comes up in the future, we know that you've clarified it.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:29:18 PM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 05:17:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit...posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile")

Zak has been 100% accurate about that so far

How is he designing hostile? Does he just mean "there are people there who don't like me"?

To answer your question, Pundit.
I do not know how Zak defines 'hostile'.
I know how I define it and I am fairly certain it's similar to how Zak defines it.
I came to this site.
People have been hostile to me.
Zak has described this site as hostile.
Zaks description matches my experiences.
There are people in here who have insulted and attacked me.
It's not only that they don't like Zak.
It's that they are hostile.
They do not even know me as I am new here.
So it's not personal.
I have yes acknowledged that Zak has posted items I agree with.
This is why they are hostile toward me.
They could have ignored other people who believe in community building or who respect quality products.
They didn't.
They were hostile.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:29:18 PM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 05:17:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit...posting to specific internet sites (some of which he declared as "hostile")

Zak has been 100% accurate about that so far

How is he designating hostile? Does he just mean "there are people there who don't like me"?

As I've said probably dozens of times:

It's hostile because people can freely post misinformation here and they are not held accountable for it.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:31:14 PMA FREE book would imply that Zak will give it to anyone, anywhere, without conditions.

By that metric, basically nothing anyone has to ask for is free. "Buy one get one free" things aren't "free" in this alien version of English you just concocted, nor are "Free if you stop by on Sundays" things, for example.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 15, 2024, 05:31:14 PMA FREE book would imply that Zak will give it to anyone, anywhere, without conditions.

WORK, which is what you are doing by following his instructions, is a form of cost. You are paying him either $1000 in money, or (depending on the real value of your time) probably considerably less than that in WORK FOR HIM, by FOLLOWING HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
If you do not follow his instructions, he will not give you the book.

So NO, it is not a free book.

Okay, I see your point, a giveaway book then, that's probably more accurate