Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:52:34 AM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:45:15 AMYou needed telling.
You stated that someone who has proved to offer value (see: his stated list of goals) has no value to this forum.
You do not speak for me and I am a part of this forum.
I disagree with your statement.
You then levelled up your tension attempting to escalate this situation.
I stand by my original statement to be relevant to this one too.
Read the stated list of goals.
Identify if that is you also or if you will continue to troll the people who are here objectively, who respect that list of goals.
I'm not discussing this any further with you because you are hostile.

Zak? Is this your sock?

Honestly? I find the goals to be a stupid publicity stunt by someone who from every indication I've seen appears to me to be a complete narcissist with zero respect for anyone else's opinions (note how quickly he turns to calling longtime members of this community garbage people and trolls).

Maybe when you've actually contributed to genuine topics on the subject of roleplaying my opinion of you will change. For now you're just a nozzle for Zak's particular brand of toxicity.

Excuse me what?

Now you are openly insulting me.

Other people are allowed to think differently than yourself.

Other people are allowed to think the same way as each other.

Forum T&C says you are not allowed to bring your toxic behaviour into this platform.

I will accept that your insult of calling me a 'sock' is a reply to my question as to where you stand regarding the statement of objectives which has been posted to this thread.

You clearly can not objectively separate a stated list of goals from your own personal prejudice against multiple members of this community.


 

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:18:52 AMAs he offers literally nothing of value to this forum, I recommend placing Zak on ignore.

He has his right to speak (though it is far from absolute here). You have no obligation to listen.

You do not have consent to speak for other people including myself about our opinions and decisions. It is offensive that you would assume to do that.

As far as bringing value to the forum: see list of states goals. I find that valuable. I believe those goals are worthy.

Stating goals does not by itself offer value, and you haven't yet considered what his unstated goals might be.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 14, 2024, 09:10:19 AMFor the record, I don't care if people come in because you asked them to, and if they're genuine fans (and they'd have to be to agree to do this) I wouldn't care if they spoke well of you or their products. But this makes it seem like they're going to be doing covert advertising for you, which I think is counterproductive for you.

A wiser thing might be to trust your fans and supporters and let them use their own voice; at least that's always worked for me.

This is exactly what I have done. I have been insulted for it.

It has nothing to do with covert advertising of a product.

It has to do with a person with their own mind, using it and speaking it.

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 09:39:26 AM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:18:52 AMAs he offers literally nothing of value to this forum, I recommend placing Zak on ignore.

He has his right to speak (though it is far from absolute here). You have no obligation to listen.

You do not have consent to speak for other people including myself about our opinions and decisions. It is offensive that you would assume to do that.

As far as bringing value to the forum: see list of states goals. I find that valuable. I believe those goals are worthy.

Stating goals does not by itself offer value, and you haven't yet considered what his unstated goals might be.

I have already explained to you that you are assuming to know what and how I think and you are insulting me for it, without first discussing to find out what and how I think.

All of that is your bad.

You do not speak for me.

You are projecting your own prejudice at me.

Nothing more you have to say is worth the effort of replying to. You are proved here to be prejudice and controlling in your behaviour.

Interesting that GnosticGoblin joined this site right around the time that Zak suggested that others do exactly the same thing...

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 09:47:43 AMInteresting that GnosticGoblin joined this site right around the time that Zak suggested that others do exactly the same thing...

So the situation is that new people are coming to the site and members of the site are being hostile to them.
 
The stated reason for the hostility is because 'Zak exists.'

This site advertises itself as a place to discuss D&D and RPG related topics and products. The name of this site indicates that is its purpose.

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 09:55:23 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 09:47:43 AMInteresting that GnosticGoblin joined this site right around the time that Zak suggested that others do exactly the same thing...

So the situation is that new people are coming to the site and members of the site are being hostile to them.
 
The stated reason for the hostility is because 'Zak exists.'

Is that what this site is about?

I thought it was a place to discuss D&D and RPG related topics and products because the name of this site indicates that is its purpose.

Then perhaps you should do so?

You've presently got 15 posts and 12 of them are on the subject of Zak, the rest are you posting a quote from Professor Dungeonmaster, an unclear post about not understanding dice probabilities (where I actually explained it to you and you never bothered to follow up), and one about having once owned an aliens adventure game book until some guy named Tim stole it.

Sock is short for "sock puppet" a fake account made by someone to echo and amplify their position to make it seem more popular than it is. Given your posting history and how it tag teams with Zak, it seems a valid question to at least pose.

Finally, if you agree with Zak as much as you do, why would me calling you his mouthpiece be an insult?

You personally drew me into a situation where I felt I had to defend myself because you are insulting me.

Most of my posts are not to do with Zak - they are to do with telling you straight that you are hostile to newcomers to the forum. I did absolutely nothing to offend you. What I did do was to identify that Zak is making sense and that you are being hostile.

I am not here to argue with trolls.

This forum has a banner at the top of the page which defines what this forum regards as 'sock puppet' which you have claimed I am.

I have asserted I am not.

You are in error about that.

An apology would prove you are capable of amending an offence you have caused with your paranoia.

I'm all for discussing Zak's new product on it's own merits and I believe that most of the active members here are the same.  If he had just come on here introducing his material then I think he would have found a receptive but possibly a slightly frosty reception.

While Zak did manage to win a defamation case, it doesn't take away his public record of generally being unethical and amoral.  I can point to public statements he's made, some on this site, that support this assertion.  This way of organizing he is doing on this is considered unethical by every online community I know of and appears to be in violation of US law in a couple of respects. 

He would have been much wiser to DM Pundit privately and try to hammer things out amicably rather that doing something that appears shady and then talk down to people saying it looks fishy. 

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 10:55:58 AMThis forum has a banner at the top of the page which defines what this forum regards as 'sock puppet' which you have claimed I am.

I have asserted I am not.

You are in error about that.

An apology would prove you are capable of amending an offence you have caused with your paranoia.

Yeah... I'm going to go ahead and say that you're not deserving of one.

You started out by jumping into this thread with a sharp attitude and have been pretty offensive yourself. 

Zak gets treated pretty fairly on this site and a lot of the negative interactions he gets here is for things he's done here.  You can just click on his profile and read all his public comments and see for your self.  Even then, he's not been kicked, he's not harassed in any thread, and even those that are more critical of him don't cross lines that are done in other places. 

Quote from: BadApple on December 15, 2024, 11:06:08 AMWhile Zak did manage to win a defamation case, it doesn't take away his public record of generally being unethical and amoral.  I can point to public statements he's made, some on this site, that support this assertion. 

Point away.

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 11:21:59 AM

Quote from: BadApple on December 15, 2024, 11:06:08 AMWhile Zak did manage to win a defamation case, it doesn't take away his public record of generally being unethical and amoral.  I can point to public statements he's made, some on this site, that support this assertion. 

Point away.

You took money for work and then refused to deliver.  You confirmed that you did this here in another thread.  Just because the victim in this issue chose not to pursue you over your breach of contract, you are not absolved of it. 

Quote from: BadApple on December 15, 2024, 11:25:02 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 11:21:59 AM

Quote from: BadApple on December 15, 2024, 11:06:08 AMWhile Zak did manage to win a defamation case, it doesn't take away his public record of generally being unethical and amoral.  I can point to public statements he's made, some on this site, that support this assertion. 

Point away.

You took money for work and then refused to deliver.  You confirmed that you did this here in another thread.  Just because the victim in this issue chose not to pursue you over your breach of contract, you are not absolved of it. 

He (Alex Macris) did a bad thing, I chose to stop working with him. On moral and ethical grounds--he platformed a transphobic guy and I told him I didn't want to work with him any more.. 

I told the dude I wanted to quit working with him and he did not say "Oh you broke our contract I am going to take steps against you" (despite the fact he represented himself as a millionaire) he basically said "Oh well" and wrote it off.

He didn't represent this as any kind of issue until years later after he'd been public disgraced for working with Milo Yiannopolis and I pointed out that sucked.

There's lots of people who would back up all of that as me taking a principled stand. You might not agree with those principles because you don't care about trans people, but they are priciples.

The only atrocious behaviour I have seen since I came into this forum is on this thread. If you hate someone why do you engage with them? It obviously resolves nothing.