The court does not deem Zak a problem to the community sufficient to issue a protection order against him or to have fined him, following Vivs allegations.

Their document uses the description 'false allegations' on page one.

The court awarded Zak a Win and Viv a Not Win.

This tells us about the courts opinion of the situation.

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:33:46 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 14, 2024, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:27:11 PMor help make the RPG community suck less

There are obviously those that feel you could make a stronger contribution to this effort by just dropping out of the community altogether, so why should we accept your opinion of what makes the community suck less over theirs?

I would never argue that you should accept my definition of an unsucky RPG community--you're an anonymous internet troll.

We have, therefore, wholly opposite goals.

You don't really believe that, do you? If so, you're only fooling yourself.

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 07:58:50 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:33:46 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 14, 2024, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:27:11 PMor help make the RPG community suck less

There are obviously those that feel you could make a stronger contribution to this effort by just dropping out of the community altogether, so why should we accept your opinion of what makes the community suck less over theirs?

I would never argue that you should accept my definition of an unsucky RPG community--you're an anonymous internet troll.

We have, therefore, wholly opposite goals.

You don't really believe that, do you? If so, you're only fooling yourself.

Since you're a troll you are posting (by definition) as an end in itself. The posting (and the reaction to it) is the entertainment for you.

The only reason I ever post something on the game internet is to achieve some goal having to do with games--an offline activity. Posting is a means to that end.

Those are basically opposite goals.

As I said earlier, I want an RPG scene where the goals are:

-To help each other when they have questions about their games

-To help each other when they have ideas for projects

-To answer questions about other peoples' stuff honestly

-To work together collaboratively to make new projects and new ideas

-To make conditions for doing this less tedious and cost less in terms of time and social media friction

-To spread information faster and with less noise and less telephone-game-bullshit

-To be less boring to be around

-to be less boring to retrieve ideas and information from

and, as a troll, you'd likely prioritize just the (perceived) entertainment value of posting over any of those basically-offline goals.

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 08:04:54 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 07:58:50 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:33:46 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 14, 2024, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:27:11 PMor help make the RPG community suck less

There are obviously those that feel you could make a stronger contribution to this effort by just dropping out of the community altogether, so why should we accept your opinion of what makes the community suck less over theirs?

I would never argue that you should accept my definition of an unsucky RPG community--you're an anonymous internet troll.

We have, therefore, wholly opposite goals.

You don't really believe that, do you? If so, you're only fooling yourself.

Since you're a troll you are posting (by definition) as an end in itself. The posting (and the reaction to it) is the entertainment for you.

The only reason I ever post something on the game internet is to achieve some goal having to do with games--an offline activity. Posting is a means to that end.

Those are basically opposite goals.

As I said earlier, I want an RPG scene where the goals are:

-To help each other when they have questions about their games

-To help each other when they have ideas for projects

-To answer questions about other peoples' stuff honestly

-To work together collaboratively to make new projects and new ideas

-To make conditions for doing this less tedious and cost less in terms of time and social media friction

-To spread information faster and with less noise and less telephone-game-bullshit

-To be less boring to be around

-to be less boring to retrieve ideas and information from

and, as a troll, you'd likely prioritize just the (perceived) entertainment value of posting over any of those basically-offline goals.

So how does your current effort (the one this thread is about) work to achieve those goals?

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 08:07:38 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 15, 2024, 08:04:54 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 15, 2024, 07:58:50 AM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:33:46 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 14, 2024, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 14, 2024, 04:27:11 PMor help make the RPG community suck less

There are obviously those that feel you could make a stronger contribution to this effort by just dropping out of the community altogether, so why should we accept your opinion of what makes the community suck less over theirs?

I would never argue that you should accept my definition of an unsucky RPG community--you're an anonymous internet troll.

We have, therefore, wholly opposite goals.

You don't really believe that, do you? If so, you're only fooling yourself.

Since you're a troll you are posting (by definition) as an end in itself. The posting (and the reaction to it) is the entertainment for you.

The only reason I ever post something on the game internet is to achieve some goal having to do with games--an offline activity. Posting is a means to that end.

Those are basically opposite goals.

As I said earlier, I want an RPG scene where the goals are:

-To help each other when they have questions about their games

-To help each other when they have ideas for projects

-To answer questions about other peoples' stuff honestly

-To work together collaboratively to make new projects and new ideas

-To make conditions for doing this less tedious and cost less in terms of time and social media friction

-To spread information faster and with less noise and less telephone-game-bullshit

-To be less boring to be around

-to be less boring to retrieve ideas and information from

and, as a troll, you'd likely prioritize just the (perceived) entertainment value of posting over any of those basically-offline goals.

So how does your current effort (the one this thread is about) work to achieve those goals?

Pointing out and correcting misinformation helps identify which sources of information are reliable and which aren't.

Someone who then wants help with actual game stuff can then identify the sources they can ignore and the sources that are more worth listening to when seeking help.

As he offers literally nothing of value to this forum, I recommend placing Zak on ignore.

He has his right to speak (though it is far from absolute here). You have no obligation to listen.

Those who have involved themselves do appear to have polarised into two camps.

One camp has respect for a list of its stated goals, as well as evidence which exposes the other camp for its criminal activities.

The other camp has hearsay and allegations, is ignoring the evidence and is waging a defamation campaign.

It's that black and white it is ridiculous.

Read the list of stated goals and decide if that's you or not.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:18:52 AMYou have no obligation to listen.

Or to talk.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:18:52 AMAs he offers literally nothing of value to this forum, I recommend placing Zak on ignore.

He has his right to speak (though it is far from absolute here). You have no obligation to listen.

You do not have consent to speak for other people including myself about our opinions and decisions. It is offensive that you would assume to do that.

As far as bringing value to the forum: see list of states goals. I find that valuable. I believe those goals are worthy.

I have no idea who this dude is but fucking Y I K E S

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:18:52 AMAs he offers literally nothing of value to this forum, I recommend placing Zak on ignore.

He has his right to speak (though it is far from absolute here). You have no obligation to listen.

You do not have consent to speak for other people including myself about our opinions and decisions. It is offensive that you would assume to do that.

As far as bringing value to the forum: see list of states goals. I find that valuable. I believe those goals are worthy.

Where did I speak for your opinions? I made a value statement for myself and a recommendation for others, nothing more.I

You seem quite touchy and ready to lash out at anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with your thinking. I wonder why that is?

You needed telling.
You stated that someone who has proved to offer value (see: his stated list of goals) has no value to this forum.
You do not speak for me and I am a part of this forum.
I disagree with your statement.
You then levelled up your tension attempting to escalate this situation.
I stand by my original statement to be relevant to this one too.
Read the stated list of goals.
Identify if that is you also or if you will continue to troll the people who are here objectively, who respect that list of goals.
I'm not discussing this any further with you because you are hostile.

Quote from: Nobleshield on December 15, 2024, 08:36:15 AMI have no idea who this dude is but fucking Y I K E S

Open to getting to know new friends. Hi Nobleshield.

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:45:15 AMYou needed telling.
You stated that someone who has proved to offer value (see: his stated list of goals) has no value to this forum.
You do not speak for me and I am a part of this forum.
I disagree with your statement.
You then levelled up your tension attempting to escalate this situation.
I stand by my original statement to be relevant to this one too.
Read the stated list of goals.
Identify if that is you also or if you will continue to troll the people who are here objectively, who respect that list of goals.
I'm not discussing this any further with you because you are hostile.

Zak? Is this your sock?

Honestly? I find the goals to be a stupid publicity stunt by someone who from every indication I've seen appears to me to be a complete narcissist with zero respect for anyone else's opinions (note how quickly he turns to calling longtime members of this community garbage people and trolls).

Maybe when you've actually contributed to genuine topics on the subject of roleplaying my opinion of you will change. For now you're just a nozzle for Zak's particular brand of toxicity.

Quote from: Chris24601 on December 15, 2024, 08:52:34 AM

Quote from: GnosticGoblin on December 15, 2024, 08:45:15 AMYou needed telling.
You stated that someone who has proved to offer value (see: his stated list of goals) has no value to this forum.
You do not speak for me and I am a part of this forum.
I disagree with your statement.
You then levelled up your tension attempting to escalate this situation.
I stand by my original statement to be relevant to this one too.
Read the stated list of goals.
Identify if that is you also or if you will continue to troll the people who are here objectively, who respect that list of goals.
I'm not discussing this any further with you because you are hostile.

Zak? Is this your sock?

Honestly? I find the goals to be a stupid publicity stunt by someone who from every indication I've seen appears to me to be a complete narcissist with zero respect for anyone else's opinions (note how quickly he turns to calling longtime members of this community garbage people and trolls).

Misinformation isn't an "opinion". If people troll and say things that aren't true--it's good to point that out.

As for goals-I have a record of being in the online RPG community going back to 2009 and the things I did while in it don't change and become "toxic" based on what you post.