Again, I go back to my previous comment. Unless someone was there and privy to those conversations and agreements and saw first hand how things went down---the assumptions you are making and the information you are spreading is not factual.

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

I think in the post below Zak S says he quit the project and kept the money. I don't think any of the recent posts have said anything different from what Zac S said (beyond ignoring his rational for doing so). Perhaps you can quote who you are talking about specifically and clear things up.

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 05:21:06 AMMy game group included a trans person at that time (and still does)-one of my best friends, it would have been absolutely impossible to be like "Oh yeah, I am continuing to work with this company after what they did".

As for the money: I already talked about how Alex had not played fair in previous discussions over money however, him saying "Oh well" in response to me quitting meant it's a non-issue.

But, yeah: if your company abruptly adopts hate-group politics in the middle of our association then I will get out of that association and if you volunteer to let me do that without paying you I will take that deal.

I have said all of these things several times though on this site so raising issues that are this easily addressed that way is redundant.

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

Zak S. himself, on this site.  Just look up his previous posts by going through his profile.  He also admits to organizing a brigading effort and trying to cancel someone by associating the victim with someone Zak believed would tarnish him out of his profession.  (I learned through a little searching that the association was not how Zak portrayed it but blown out of proportion as a smear.)

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 05:21:06 AMAs for the money: I already talked about how Alex had not played fair in previous discussions over money however, him saying "Oh well" in response to me quitting meant it's a non-issue.

Yeah, I saw Zak's post. I was talking about his quote above that said Alex said "oh well." To me, that sounds like an acceptance and agreement---not a swindling. I think it is a mischaracterization to call it swindling.

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Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

Zak S. himself, on this site.  Just look up his previous posts by going through his profile.  He also admits to organizing a brigading effort and trying to cancel someone by associating the victim with someone Zak believed would tarnish him out of his profession.  (I learned through a little searching that the association was not how Zak portrayed it but blown out of proportion as a smear.)

Zak clarified earlier in this thread saying that HE WAS ACTUALLY NOT trying to engage in brigading but in trying to build community.

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Quote from: BadApple on December 26, 2024, 10:39:57 PM

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

Zak S. himself, on this site.  Just look up his previous posts by going through his profile.  He also admits to organizing a brigading effort and trying to cancel someone by associating the victim with someone Zak believed would tarnish him out of his profession.  (I learned through a little searching that the association was not how Zak portrayed it but blown out of proportion as a smear.)

Zak clarified earlier in this thread saying that HE WAS ACTUALLY NOT trying to engage in brigading but in trying to build community.

Wasn't it explained way earlier that person who messaged Pundit said the word briganding and that weither Zak wanted/didn't want people to do that doesn't really matter as the actions im this thread speak pretty loud.

For example. I browsed this thread as I'm amused to see it still going. Then I see your new account also participating in this nonsense. Why bother? The same bloody argument has happened for so many pages now.

Instead, if your goal is to help out Zak or build/fix the ever nebulous "community" you should not be talking in here. Talk in another thread, make a post about one of the works Zak has made that you like. Ask people there opinions on that stuff. Anything but participating in this useless conversation.

Well people seem to care about the topic, so there's some meaning to contributing to it.
Beyond explaining what's the difference between "It happened to me" or "I think it happened to someone else", that is.
Or why cheating and swindling is something that happens when people actually cheat someone.
Or why "No, I'm not brigading" doesn't mean "hey he admitted he's brigading".
Apparently that's also something people need to know.

Quote from: Xaxus on Today at 12:25:51 AMWell people seem to care about the topic, so there's some meaning to contributing to it.
Beyond explaining what's the difference between "It happened to me" or "I think it happened to someone else", that is.
Or why cheating and swindling is something that happens when people actually cheat someone.
Or why "No, I'm not brigading" doesn't mean "hey he admitted he's brigading".
Apparently that's also something people need to know.

Nah dude. It's the same repeated conversations. Nothing you say, nothing they say will change anything. Your effort is better spent doing something else to support the guy if that's your goal.

Anywho. It's your time, just my two sense for the people who seem to give a shit about how Zak is viewed by rando's on the internet.

Quote from: Xaxus on Today at 12:25:51 AMWell people seem to care about the topic, so there's some meaning to contributing to it.
Beyond explaining what's the difference between "It happened to me" or "I think it happened to someone else", that is.

It's more that people are coming in here to keep this thread alive to defend Zak rather than create a nebulous community. They are also strangely posting only in this thread. Then some regular forum users engage. As is said, go and talk about games and spread community, since this isn't supposed to be about 'defending Zak' for a free book.

Quote from: XaxusOr why cheating and swindling is something that happens when people actually cheat someone.
Or why "No, I'm not brigading" doesn't mean "hey he admitted he's brigading".
Apparently that's also something people need to know.

To borrow from an earlier post:
'This is your claim about the meaning of those statements. Their claim is different.'

I'm a little confused, If Zak said it himself then I still can't take that as proof because he came up with an excuse as to why it's ok that he did it?

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

He admitted to it.  Then he tried to justify it by saying the guy whose money he stole did a bad thing and platformed a bad person. 

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:57:32 PMYeah, I saw Zak's post. I was talking about his quote above that said Alex said "oh well." To me, that sounds like an acceptance and agreement---not a swindling. I think it is a mischaracterization to call it swindling.

To me, it sounds like he decided that trying to get the money back was more trouble than it was worth to him.  Given my limited interactions with Zack S, I don't blame him.    Of course, he shouldn't have to do that in the first place.  It's not a mischaracterization at all.

Also, I don't buy the "platform a transphobe" excuse for a second given how loosely that term is thrown around these days.

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Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 11:01:41 PM

Quote from: BadApple on December 26, 2024, 10:39:57 PM

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

Zak S. himself, on this site.  Just look up his previous posts by going through his profile.  He also admits to organizing a brigading effort and trying to cancel someone by associating the victim with someone Zak believed would tarnish him out of his profession.  (I learned through a little searching that the association was not how Zak portrayed it but blown out of proportion as a smear.)

Zak clarified earlier in this thread saying that HE WAS ACTUALLY NOT trying to engage in brigading but in trying to build community.

Wasn't it explained way earlier that person who messaged Pundit said the word briganding and that weither Zak wanted/didn't want people to do that doesn't really matter as the actions im this thread speak pretty loud.

For example. I browsed this thread as I'm amused to see it still going. Then I see your new account also participating in this nonsense. Why bother? The same bloody argument has happened for so many pages now.

Instead, if your goal is to help out Zak or build/fix the ever nebulous "community" you should not be talking in here. Talk in another thread, make a post about one of the works Zak has made that you like. Ask people there opinions on that stuff. Anything but participating in this useless conversation.

I'm also talking elsewhere, but I do believe in setting facts straight. Zak is a creator with an award winning body of work. He is engaging in correcting wrongs, and I am here to support that.

Quote from: BadApple on Today at 01:17:12 AMI'm a little confused, If Zak said it himself then I still can't take that as proof because he came up with an excuse as to why it's ok that he did it?

It's not that it's "proof" that Zak said it. But there is something called motive. Even the police and lawyers look for it. Zak has been clear about his motive and his motives make sense---even if you don't agree with them. Everyone else is assuming or conjecturing and spreading misinformation based on their assumptions.

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Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:14:59 PMWhere is the proof and evidence to back up your accusations? You have none. Again, the spreading of misinformation and lies.

He admitted to it.  Then he tried to justify it by saying the guy whose money he stole did a bad thing and platformed a bad person. 

Quote from: katiefol on December 26, 2024, 10:57:32 PMYeah, I saw Zak's post. I was talking about his quote above that said Alex said "oh well." To me, that sounds like an acceptance and agreement---not a swindling. I think it is a mischaracterization to call it swindling.

To me, it sounds like he decided that trying to get the money back was more trouble than it was worth to him.  Given my limited interactions with Zack S, I don't blame him.    Of course, he shouldn't have to do that in the first place.  It's not a mischaracterization at all.

Also, I don't buy the "platform a transphobe" excuse for a second given how loosely that term is thrown around these days.

Look. I respect anyone who calls someone out for transphobia and makes them pay for it. Alex Macris platformed a transphobic guy on his site -- and the fact that Zak stood up against that and said he wanted to quit and leave over that -- Is pretty significant. The fact that Alex didn't fight about it OR ASK FOR HIS MONEY BACK, tells me that Alex knows he did something wrong.

Quote from: katiefol on Today at 02:32:49 AMIt's not that it's "proof" that Zak said it.

It is though and he did.

Quote from: katiefol on Today at 02:32:49 AMBut there is something called motive. Even the police and lawyers look for it.

Police look for motive as proof of guilt as in "The suspect had method, motive and opportunity".  The word you are looking for is pretense.  He had a pretense that he thought would fly in the current climate.  I would bet he grossly misrepresented what this supposed "transphobe" said to create this pretense.  The fact that he kept the money suggests that it wasn't a principled stance at all.  It was just an excuse to smear the guy he ripped off to get useful idiots like you to side with him.  There is no scenario where taking money for work, refusing to do the work and keeping the money is acceptable.  It's unethical any way you look at it.  This is what you are making excuses for.

At the time, simply saying that biological sex is real or that men can't become women was enough to get someone labeled a "transphobe" so that accusation carries no weight at all with me.

Quote from: katiefol on Today at 02:29:11 AMI'm also talking elsewhere, but I do believe in setting facts straight. Zak is a creator with an award winning body of work. He is engaging in correcting wrongs, and I am here to support that.

No, he's not.  He is here to put his spin on this leak.  That's what you are supporting.

Quote from: katiefol on Today at 02:39:48 AMOR ASK FOR HIS MONEY BACK, tells me that Alex knows he did something wrong.

Speaking of misinformation, you just made that shit up.