Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 02:24:08 PM

Quote from: BadApple on December 23, 2024, 02:18:46 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 02:04:43 PMYou're weirdly assuming my goal is to be on good terms with bad actors. It's not.

The theme of "forum members saying pointing out bad things members of that forum do isnt' a good way to be friends with the forum members" is a repetitive and silly problem. The idea that someone might be typing not to make friends with you but rather to communicate a message of their own which they know you won't like but is important to communicate to others seems to fly over your head.

Is your purpose to clearly communicate your thoughts or is it to throw thoughts out there so that you get a negative response?

Leading question with unnecessarily limited options.

The purpose of my original message that the Pundit reprinted was to clearly lay out a contract with fans--which was clearly laid out to that audience.

The purpose of my conversation here afterward is to:

1-Correct misinformation for the benefit of third parties reading the thread
and
2-Clearly identify for third parties reading which members of the forum speaking are responsible for spreading misinformation or otherwise untrustworthy.

It looks as though you've made the naïve mistake of assuming that just because someone's messages are responses to you in a public place that the primary audience is you.

If you raise a concern, I'll address it--but not primarily for your benefit (I assume most people here will never ever admit to being persuaded of anything that doesn't fit their schtick). I am addressing it for the benefit of people who are reading the exchange but not participating.

Alternately, maybe you didn't make that mistake but--giving in to a common nerd tendency to try to exhibit superiority--your reaction to seeing your takeaway was wrong wasn't to go "Sorry I got that wrong" but instead to turn it around and go "You are bad at communication, that must be why I got it wrong". This is a common tactic.

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 02:25:02 PM

Quote from: strollofturtle on December 23, 2024, 02:20:16 PM

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 01:54:42 PMRepeat:

QuoteYou'd have a point if I said "All nerds" rather than "nerds".

Again, saying "people go to Disneyland" does not imply all people do.

"Most people" does indeed imply more than half the population of humanity.  That is literally what it means to say that.

Feel free to retract your statements if you are admitting that you were inaccurately using language and thus (inadvertently presumably) spreading misinformation.

If you feel I made an inaccurate "most nerds" statement, you can quote it and I will evaluate it and see if I was imprecise.

Quote from: SHARK on Today at 12:39:42 AMHey there Eirikrautha! You know, something else I have noticed about some people. They conduct their social interactions and conversations like everyone involved is on trial in a court. That kind of legalistic approach to conversation and socializing to be eye-rollingly annoying, and kind of sad. Such an approach to socializing and conversation demonstrates a huge chip on their shoulder and likely long-standing social problems.

All of the yammering about "Misinformation" and calls to "Prove It!" or "You need to show evidence!" Blah Blah. No, people don't. The people yammering on like that can pound sound. Fucking conversations between people face to face or even here, especially online, are not college debates or episodes of fucking court trials. You know? It's like, Geesus, man. Get a life, and go outside and touch grass. *Laughing*

Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 23, 2024, 09:29:10 PM

Quote from: katiefol on December 23, 2024, 01:58:41 PMBut, as soon as it turns into personal critique and opinion and misinformation based on THAT -- it becomes judgement. And that should be halted.

First... what?  Judgment is a vital part of human cognition.  Judgment is how our ancient ancestors decided whether to scurry up the tree when the grass started waving or whether it was just the wind.  Someone without the capacity for judgment would be completely incapable from telling truth from falsehood, believable from unbelievable.  So, I don't know what you are expecting here, but no one with any sense is going to stop judging everyone and everything.

Second, it is my sincerest hope that half of these new accounts are sock puppets (I have no proof of this, but I certainly hope they are).  Because, if you are actual people, you are the saddest, most pathetic group of followers I've ever experienced.  Seriously, there is no one, and I mean no one, in my 50+ years of life who I would simp for to the level that some of you have for Zack.  It's actually creepy, like cult-deprogramming-worthy creepy.  If you are what "non-judgmental" looks like... well, it's a good thing that most people are very judgmental...

Quote from: Zak S on December 23, 2024, 04:19:36 PMThere's no reason to keep typing. You'll never convince me, I will never convince you.

QuoteYou didn't post proof.

Quote from: dvar on Today at 05:07:30 AMHey Shark, I understand where you're coming from, but there's an important point to consider in this context. This isn't about abstract debates or theoretical constructs—it's about real consequences on someone's life. In this case, Zak's reputation was unjustly dragged through the mud based on misinformation spread by bad actors, and it's had a tangible, damaging impact.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 02, 2024, 11:42:42 AMAt this point, I think the only thing to do with Zak is to commend him to the Divine Mercy.

Quote from: dvar on Today at 05:07:30 AMIn this case, [shitmuffin]'s reputation was unjustly dragged through the mud based on misinformation spread by bad actors, and it's had a tangible, damaging impact.