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Is the RPG Hobby really dying?

Started by Vadrus, August 02, 2007, 06:08:55 AM

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Dirk Remmecke

#45
August 03, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: SettembriniThat´s exactly what I read back in the day. I belive it was the parent´s shoe company that siphoned off money.

OTOH, here in Pyramid Online I found an interview that seems to back up Warthur's version...
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Warthur

#46
August 03, 2007, 10:43:11 AM
Chances are the relationship between WEG and the shoe company was probably more complicated than just "one funds the other". I fully admit the possibility that I've got it backwards.

That doesn't change my point, though, that WEG's other major mistake was relying too much on licences - once money started getting scarce, they were in a horrible position of either keeping the licences and not being able to earn any money out of them, or sell them off and reduce their ability to earn money due to losing flagship lines.
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Volkazz

#47
August 13, 2007, 08:34:09 AM
Per the propaganda in Munchkin Cthulhu, Munchkin is SJ games biggest seller

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jrients

#48
August 13, 2007, 08:47:59 AM
I have heard that GURPS Traveller is a close second to Munchkin.
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joewolz

#49
August 13, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: jrientsI have heard that GURPS Traveller is a close second to Munchkin.

That seems nutty to me, but then again, I've never played or owned any iteration of Traveller.
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estar

#50
August 13, 2007, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: joewolzThat seems nutty to me, but then again, I've never played or owned any iteration of Traveller.

Regardless of whether it uses GURPS or not, GURPS Traveller is probably the second or third best Traveller line made. My own personal big three is Classic, Digest Group, GURPS Traveller. I give an honorable mention to Traveller20 and the Comcast/Avenger folks.

Calithena

#51
August 13, 2007, 11:17:48 AM
http://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/

Munchkin is 55% of SJG sales. The entire GURPS line is the majority of the rest. If Traveller is the biggest GURPS title, which I'm not sure I believe, that still makes it at best a far distant second.
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#52
August 13, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
One way to determine whether the hobby is dying is to look at the average age of tabletop role-players and how many years they've been in the hobby.  If those numbers are increasing, then the hobby will eventually shrink.
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Rob Lang

#53
August 13, 2007, 11:41:16 AM
From a Free-RPG point of view, more people are downloading Icar than ever. I've been tracking those stats since 2000.

Koltar

#54
August 13, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: joewolzThat seems nutty to me, but then again, I've never played or owned any iteration of Traveller.

 You could look into changing that.

 Its a good game or game setting - depending on how you look nat it . Also, Illinois is the birthplace of TRAVELLER, all those years ago.


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Nicephorus

#55
August 13, 2007, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: joewolzThat seems nutty to me, but then again, I've never played or owned any iteration of Traveller.

In the post TNE era, I think gurps is the only version that has managed to consistently stay in print for long periods of time.  I'm not a gurps fan but they do a nice job with their Traveller line and it meshes well with their other books if you want to take things in a new direction.
 
SJ Games seems to be the only rpg company that has mangaged to go for decades without serious financial trouble - that says a bunch about them.  TSR had lots of advantages but still managed to kill itself.  
 
But I'm not concerned about the hobby.  I think the comparison to the restaurant business is apt.  I think there are still quite a few potential gamers around who will be willing to buy into the next cool product.

Dr Rotwang!

#56
August 13, 2007, 12:32:39 PM
I'll call it dead when I can no longer find any players, and even then I'll wonder if it's because everyone else in the retirement home is a bunch of squares.
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Koltar

#57
August 13, 2007, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I'll call it dead when I can no longer find any players, and even then I'll wonder if it's because everyone else in the retirement home is a bunch of squares.

 OFF TOPIC SLIGHTLY: I'm looking forward to that amusing day 40 to 50 years into the future when the majority of Retirment home residents all have tattoos and body piercings from when they were younger and arguing about whether to listen to Outkast or Marilyn Manson...with one or two oddbirds who made it to that age wanting to hear Snoop Dogg.

 I'll be laughing with a big smile on my face.


Can you imagine Goths all grown up in a nursing home ? Former Emo kids?  elderly PUNK music lovers?

 oh right back to the topic.....

 No the hobby is NOT 'dying" , as i said in an earlier postr - plenty of younger gamers starting into RPGs.


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The return of \'You can\'t take the Sky From me!\'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUn-eN8mkDw&feature=rec-fresh+div

This is what a really cool FANTASY RPG should be like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WnjVUBDbs

Still here, still alive, at least Seven years now...

joewolz

#58
August 13, 2007, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: KoltarCan you imagine Goths all grown up in a nursing home ? Former Emo kids?  elderly PUNK music lovers?

I'm one of those punks, and I can't fucking WAIT for that day.  Those nursing home people are gonna be in for a lot of fun...

Quote from: Koltaroh right back to the topic.....

 No the hobby is NOT 'dying" , as i said in an earlier postr - plenty of younger gamers starting into RPGs.

I don' think the hobby is going anywhere.  Ever.
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flyingmice

#59
August 13, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
I thought I killed this thread!

DOESN'T ANYONE RESPECT DEATH ANYMORE????

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