Is the hobby really THAT fragile

The Yann Waters · October 15, 2008, 01:31:17 PM

Quote from: CavScout;256816Aren't examples of play, included in a rule book, intended to show how the game is intended to be played?

At least in this case they are examples of how the game has been played: "replays", as the Japanese call them. I seem to recall that the ten-year-old girl was played by the designer's female friend who deliberately chose the transparent uniform over a rainbow-coloured one (and it is just the uniform that's transparent, to be clear, not the other clothing underneath).

King of Old School · October 15, 2008, 01:34:35 PM

Quote from: GrimGent;256864At least in this case they are examples of how the game has been played: "replays", as the Japanese call them. I seem to recall that the ten-year-old girl was played by the designer's female friend who deliberately chose the transparent uniform over a rainbow-coloured one (and it is just the uniform that's transparent, to be clear, not the other clothing underneath).

... that the 26-year-old proceeded to forcibly remove later in the "replay."

KoOS

The Yann Waters · October 15, 2008, 01:37:30 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256866... that the 26-year-old proceeded to forcibly remove later in the "replay."

...Which is highly inappropriate, of course. But it's still a far cry from the anime FATAL that some posters in this thread would have it be.

CavScout · October 15, 2008, 01:41:17 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256823That's a pretty torturous leap of logic. You must be one hell of a gymnast.

Examples of play demonstrate how a game can be played, not how a game must be played. Surely even you're not too thick to understand the distinction, yes?

Like I said, aren't examples of play, included in a rule book, intended to show how the game is intended to be played?

You do know what "intended to be played" means, right?

It would be unusual for an author to include examples of play that he didn't think the game would cover.

Engine · October 15, 2008, 01:42:24 PM

Quote from: JongWK;256838Did you read Loose Alliances and its warning about Fascism?

No, I stopped reading about the time things went to FanPro; I've read some stuff here and there, but I don't think I read Loose Alliances at all, although it's sitting in Paul's game room. What's it say? [Briefly, obviously.

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King of Old School · October 15, 2008, 01:42:34 PM

Quote from: GrimGent;256868...Which is highly inappropriate, of course. But it's still a far cry from the anime FATAL that some posters in this thread would have it be.

I object to the people on both sides who would presume that the game must either be Legend of the Overfiend or My Little Pony, with no gradient of (un)wholesomeness in between.

KoOS

King of Old School · October 15, 2008, 01:43:51 PM

Quote from: CavScout;256872Like I said, aren't examples of play, included in a rule book, intended to show how the game is intended to be played?

You do know what "intended to be played" means, right?

It would be unusual for an author to include examples of play that he didn't think the game would cover.

So you are too thick to differentiate between "can" and "must," then. Gotcha.

EDIT: If the book contains one creepy example of play and 38 wholesome examples of play, which way is the game intended to be played? Creepy or wholesome?

KoOS

RPGPundit · October 15, 2008, 01:47:39 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256823That's a pretty torturous leap of logic. You must be one hell of a gymnast.

Examples of play demonstrate how a game can be played, not how a game must be played. Surely even you're not too thick to understand the distinction, yes?

KoOS

Surely if the authors included it in the manual, as opposed to other possibilities that they did not, it at the very least suggests how the authors encourage you to play. I mean, unless you're suggesting someone put a gun to the author's head while he was writing the book and forced him to include that particular example out of the dozens or hundreds he could have theoretically used...

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The Yann Waters · October 15, 2008, 01:48:12 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256874I object to the people on both sides who would presume that the game must either be Legend of the Overfiend or My Little Pony, with no gradient of (un)wholesomeness in between.

Eh, seeing folks keep some perspective on the whole affair would be nice but sometimes it's a little too much to hope for... I have no frog in this race, anyway.

RPGPundit · October 15, 2008, 01:49:32 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256830The thing is, sometimes membership of a group confers certain merits by definition. "Gamer who plays Maid" doesn't automatically make you a creep; "furry" does, IMO.

KoOS

I would suggest it makes you just as potentially creepy, yes.

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King of Old School · October 15, 2008, 01:50:56 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;256879I would suggest it makes you just as potentially creepy, yes.

Motherfucker, everyone is potentially creepy. Even you.

KoOS

RPGPundit · October 15, 2008, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: Idinsinuation;256835However, did you miss the part earlier in this discussion where someone said they wanted to keep "creepy gamers" out of gaming altogether? That's the part that is wrong. That is the comment which sparked this argument.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'd love it if there could be a concerted effort to exclude lawncrappers from any public participation in our hobby.

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CavScout · October 15, 2008, 01:54:14 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256875So you are too thick to differentiate between "can" and "must," then. Gotcha.

Not sure why you are calling be "thick" when you are transforming the word "intended" to "must".

Like I said, examples in a game book are showing how the game is intended to be played.

You may as well argue that one could play FATAL in a reasonable way but that does nothing to dispute that the game is a POS.

QuoteEDIT: If the book contains one creepy example of play and 38 wholesome examples of play, which way is the game intended to be played? Creepy or wholesome?

Would wholly depend on that act of "creepiness" and what it entailed.

Of course, in the real world, you judge a murder based on those he murdered not on those he didn’t. One example of pedophilia would erase a hundred examples of mundane examples of gameplay.

King of Old School · October 15, 2008, 01:55:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;256877Surely if the authors included it in the manual, as opposed to other possibilities that they did not

Or perhaps, you know, they did include other possibilities in the manual and it's not the only guide as to how to play the game. It might not even be representative of the included examples as a whole.

But then, knowing one way or the other would require you to actually be informed on the subject, rather than rely on hearsay and your own prejudices.

KoOS

RPGPundit · October 15, 2008, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: King of Old School;256875So you are too thick to differentiate between "can" and "must," then. Gotcha.

EDIT: If the book contains one creepy example of play and 38 wholesome examples of play, which way is the game intended to be played? Creepy or wholesome?

KoOS

The Scotsman says: "You know, I've built 200 houses in my life, but do they call me Angus the House-builder? And I've tiled 200 roofs, but do they call me Angus the Roof-tiler? Nae.. but you fuck just ONE sheep..."

In other words, even if that one creepy example was the only one in the game (and I doubt it is), it really does overshadow everything else in the book, yes.

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