Quote from: jgants;256767But there is objectionable material in the book itself.  Here's what Jong quoted on Pundit's blog:
Does that really sound innocent to you?

jgants I never once said there was no objectionable material in Maid. Look through all my post here.

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Quote from: Fritzs;256749CavScout: OK, lover=somebody you have sex with... if it makes you so happy, I can live with that definition of "lover"... however you still haven't proven that Maid is particulary sick game becuase you can reroll or set different age. Or undersand something slightly different under "lover"...

Imagine if I was trying to "prove" Maid RPG was a "particularly sick game". What I was proving was some of the defenses raised were rather lame, pathetic attempts.

Quote from: noisms;256715I'm not accusing the translators of this, of course, or the vast majority of the players. They're just terribly naive people.

There's a difference between being naive, and being an idiot. They're Idiots. They don't give a fuck who else gets off on this game, all they care about is people noticing how "edgy" they are, and how they aren't "ruled" by the "unwashed masses"' ideas of "conformity".  Because, you see, they're big rebels.

They're just like the Beatniks. One of the Forgers said so: agreeing with Ron Edwards is EXACTLY like being Jack Kerouac! :rolleyes:

Its not that they didn't imagine that Lawncrapper child-rape-hentai fans would REALLY be into this stuff (instead of pretending to be into this stuff to somehow score pseudo-artiste cool-edgy hipster points), its that they just didn't give a fuck about the consequences to the hobby, because they don't actually care about this hobby very much.

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Quote from: jgants;256759It has people honestly arguing that you shouldn't discriminate against people who get off on kiddy-porn because that's just one aspect of their personality.

Really? Which people would those be?

Quote from: jgants;256759It has people who claim that a game book that includes an example in the rule book of an 11 year old getting sodomized with a broom stick is somehow good, clean fun.

Now, see, this I find interesting. Where can one find that in the game book? I was under the impression - and I'm no expert! - that this was a game report, not an example in the book. If it's in the book - even from the portion translated from the sex-filled expansion - that changes some things.

Quote from: jgants;256759It has people who don't understand why you wouldn't want to be associated with pedophiles in your hobby.

I don't think anyone's saying that, either: people understand, they simply disagree that it's going to happen enough to matter.

Quote from: jgants;256759It has people who claim that it is hypocritical to express disgust at a fictional representation of something unless you are actively working against that same thing in real life.

Did I use the term "hypocritical?" Really? Seems kind of strong to me. I think I'd go with, "seems like a good idea."

Your synthesis is very, very poor. Actually, it reads like a CavScout recap.

Quote from: Engine;256774Now, see, this I find interesting. Where can one find that in the game book? I was under the impression - and I'm no expert! - that this was a game report, not an example in the book. If it's in the book - even from the portion translated from the sex-filled expansion - that changes some things.

I don't think it was actual sodomizing but apparently (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong) it was an example of play from the book that Andy decided to remove. It's this kind of stupid shit that makes the Storygames crowd targets and rightly so IMO.

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David R

Quote from: RPGPunditYou say that again, but somehow we all know that there will be FAR more people playing under-18 maids than, say, over-40 maids

Yeah... what's the problem with that?

Quote from: RPGPunditThat's where the Forge games are leading us to.

That game wasn't produced by your nemesis. It's hard to imagine anyone faping to stuff presented in... let's say Shab-al-hiri Roach?

Quote from: RPGPundit;256766Actually, technically, most versions of D&D have players roll for their character's age, and there's no way to be a 10 year old, but I realize that wasn't your point.

Yeah, my bad on that one.

Quote from: RPGPundit;256766So the argument about this that its just like any other game falls utterly motherfucking flat to anyone who isn't making a gargantuan monumental effort to try to deny the common sense that anyone else could see.

Well, I'll tell you, Pundit, I just don't like kneejerk reactionism, and while a lot of the defenses of the book have been bullshit, so have a lot of the attacks. I should have kept my mouth shut, because I hadn't read the books, but I foolishly waded in since nearly no one else had, either. Mea culpa.

I still don't think Maid is made of evil, or that all its players are bad. There does seem to be some highly adult content, and even some which contains sexualization of children. I maintain my view that what one does in fantasy isn't judgeable by the same standards as what you do in reality, but I must confess there are some elements of Maid which - judged by the standard of reality - are certainly quite questionable.

Quote from: jgants;256767Does that really sound innocent to you?

No, it does not. It's not explicit, but that's not much of a saving grace. Certainly, it's evidence that the game includes material that would be considered inappropriate on a number of levels. While I don't personally find it objectionable - again, I'm not prepared to get upset about fantasy - I certainly agree that such material is found in the books, and any point I've made which rests on it not being in the books is invalidated.

Quote from: David R;256775I don't think it was actual sodomizing but apparently (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong) it was an example of play from the book that Andy decided to remove.

I really need to read this book if I'm going to comment on it. [So do we all!] So this objectionable material isn't in the English version of the game? Lord, I'm so confused.

Quote from: David R;256770jgants I never once said there was no objectionable material in Maid. Look through all my post here.

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David R

Ok, so again, answer the fucking question: are you ok with the broom incident as described in the book?  Yes or no?

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Quote from: Engine;256779I really need to read this book if I'm going to comment on it. [So do we all!] So this objectionable material isn't in the English version of the game? Lord, I'm so confused.

My understanding is that it is in the current version of the English translation, but Andy said something about removing it for a future reprint.

Quote from: Fritzs;256776Yeah... what's the problem with that?

That it pretty much makes your "age doesn't matter" argument shown for the load of bullshit that it is. This is not the game of playing "Mrs.Miggins, the elderly british maid",  even though in theory you could play that, this is the game of playing sexy hentai japanese schoolgirl-maids.

QuoteThat game wasn't produced by your nemesis. It's hard to imagine anyone faping to stuff presented in... let's say Shab-al-hiri Roach?

No, only fapping intellectually, which is even more pathetic.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;256780Ok, so again, answer the fucking question: are you ok with the broom incident as described in the book?  Yes or no?

Well of course I'm not comfortable with it (as I was appalled by the Poison'd AP and said so on the tBP thread), you idiot. Didn't you read my reply to Engine ? Or is this more of the selective reading that's part & parcel of your dumb imaginary war.

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David R

Quote from: RPGPundit;256367Are you seriously claiming mexicans are all socially retarded sexual deviants??

You are one fucked up individual.

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Walkerp has publicly stated his desire to exterminate the entire human race. That pretty much sums it up.

Quote from: David R;256775I don't think it was actual sodomizing but apparently (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong) it was an example of play from the book that Andy decided to remove.

It's from an actual play report included in one of the original supplements, integrated into the English translation. As quoted in another thread, the incident went like... hmm... this:

"Rie: You're not very good at cleaning, are you? You really have to learn, right? (So saying, she instructs Kana incorrectly. Cunning result of 24).

Kana: L-like this...? (She poses like a witch riding a broom. Rie is teaching her how to clean with the mop between her legs. Since the player knows she can't win, Kana accepts this). Um... Uh... L-like this? (As for what's going on here, we'll leave it to the reader's imagination)."

Quote from: Engine;256779I really need to read this book if I'm going to comment on it. [So do we all!] So this objectionable material isn't in the English version of the game? Lord, I'm so confused.

No, David is either wrong or he's lying. It IS in the english version of the book.  Andy has claimed that he'll be removing it from "future versions"; now that he's gotten the attention he hoped it would generate and looks edgy enough.

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