Quote from: Serious Paul;256619That sure is a tall order. I'd rather have more.

You can't come up with a few single "single criterion" that would automatically disqualify someone in your eyes?

Quote from: Serious Paul;256619Really? I think this is a pretty big stretch. I don't know, maybe you're right-but I just don't see it.

Not a dare, mind you, but the way to find out would be to get a copy of Maid and then some people together and play it in a neutral public setting. Watch how people react around the game.

Quote from: Serious Paul;256619Maybe I'm cynical, but I see both as just looking to have fun pretending to be something or someone else for a few hours. Freaks, and mentally imbalanced people are fucked up well before they hit the game, any game.

True, but what kind of gamer audience is each game designed to attract and how would you feel about gaming with that gamer type?

Quote from: StormBringer;256609Pundit used the online character creator and came up with that one.

A few examples:
   
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Stormbringer these are hardly examples of " imagining all the ways an eleven year old in a transparent outfit can perform sexual acts,". And what's a death reaper ?

Regards,
David R

The people that really creep me out, honestly, in the gaming scene are the RPGA members that come to our con.  They are actually relatively quite diverse and don't look all that nerdy. There is even a decent representation of women.  But they are socially really bizarre.  Can't make small talk, can't make eye contact, skulk around in groups and generally behave in a very unwelcoming closed way.  They make me very uncomfortable.

Quote from: jeff37923;256618No, I'm afraid it is exactly as I am describing it. Books like Maid or The Book of Erotic Fantasy are not carried by stores because the store owner knows that they will not sell due precisely to the "moral outrage" that they will cause.That is why a store owner would not carry it.

Instead of debating the point, just ask your average FLGS owner like I did and digest the answer you get.

No need to debate it. I have owned a chain of game stores in the past. I regularly discuss buying habits (just talked with two today) with over 60 retailers. I am involved in several online private industry fora. No, I was not debating, just trying to share my experience.

Quote from: jeff37923;256618I don't think I've been decrying The End is near about this, even though people have been alluding my stance to that. I don't want an increase in the creepy gamer population in the hobby and therefore do not want games around that attract creepy gamers.

And to your credit (and I was more referring to Pundit's stance) you have said it is about your personal preference on who you game with. I have no issue with that stance if it is indeed what you are proposing. I find Punidt's stance a bit naive and highly paranoid but that is not new or isolated. Essentially, I don't have a beef with folks who find a game incompatible with their morals/play style/aesthetic. When it spreads to hate mongering and alramist foolishness, well, then I take exception. As I said earlier, better to be your own keeper than your brothers.

Bill

Quote from: David R;256629Stormbringer these are hardly examples of " imagining all the ways an eleven year old in a transparent outfit can perform sexual acts,". And what's a death reaper ?

Regards,
David R

I will grant that 'Lolita' may be misused over there in a similar manner as 'otaku' is misused over here, but as mentioned, the interpreters should have known the difference.  And it comes up rather distressingly often in the random character generator.  Additionally, the option for maid uniform colour can be selected rather than randomized.

QuoteUniform Color: transparent Hair Color: black Eye Color: blue Maid Types: Lolita & Heroine Special Qualities: Freckles, Angel/Devil, Brown Skin, Collar, Bad Reputation Favored Attribute: Affection Maid Power: Passionate Gaze Maid Weapon: Summoning Stress Explosion: Alcohol/Drugs
 Your name is hh. You are 11 years old. You have blue eyes and black hair, and wear a transparent maid uniform. You are childlike and heroic; others describe you as young, single-minded and spirited.

You have a great deal of freckles. You are a being from a world beyond this mortal coil, charged with judging good and evil. Your skin is a beautiful, deep brown color. Your maid outfit includes a collar, like a dog's. You were involved in some very bad things in the past, making you a legend for all the wrong reasons.

In combat, you are able to summon some kind of special being to attack your enemies. When you are extremely upset, you drink alcohol or take drugs until you can't remember anymore. Due to your notable Affection, you have the ability Passionate Gaze. With just a glance, you can ingratiate yourself with the master, taking 1d6 Stress to gain 1d3 Favor.

QuoteUniform Color: transparent Hair Color: black Eye Color: blue Maid Types: Sexy & Pure Special Qualities: Overactive Imagination, Killed Your Lover, Betrayal, Chains, Raven Favored Attribute: Affection Maid Power: Passionate Gaze Maid Weapon: Stun Gun Stress Explosion: Rampage
 Your name is hh. You are 11 years old. You have blue eyes and black hair, and wear a transparent maid uniform. You are sexy and pure; others describe you as pure, curvy and coquettish.

You frequently get caught up in your own imaginary world, getting lost in frequent daydreams and having trouble distinguishing fact from your own fiction. You had a lover once, but something terrible happened, and their death was by your hands; you've been afraid to fall in love again ever since. You were once deeply betrayed by a lover; you've been afraid to love again ever since. Your uniform has jangling chains attached to it. You are actually a raven, with black wings that can be displayed or hidden at will.

In combat, you keep a stun gun ready to attack enemies. When you are extremely upset, you use anything you can lay your hands on to run around destroying things around the mansion. Due to your notable Affection, you have the ability Passionate Gaze. With just a glance, you can ingratiate yourself with the master, taking 1d6 Stress to gain 1d3 Favor.

While these were created with the Dark option set, you would think that someone would put a few lines of code in to check the age that was entered and filter out things like 'You had a lover once...' for anything under 16 or 17.  Sure, anyone using it can just set the age to 21 and then write down 11 on their printout or whatever.

But as mentioned before, that becomes a choice of the individual player, not a consequence of the normal use of the rules.  Combine 'Likes them Young' with an 11 year old maid in a transparent uniform who has 'Passionate Gaze' and a dog collar.  Already we are within the city limits of Creepyville.  So, the 11 year old can gain Stress to obtain Favour.  Aside from game mechanic terms, what does Stress represent?  Riding a broomstick like a naughty little girl?  Polishing the silver tea set?  Perhaps it is the character's realization that no combination of random rolls should result in an 11 year old maid with a transparent outfit and wearing a dog collar working for a Master that 'Likes them Young' with an ability called 'Passionate Gaze', possibly learned from that previous 'lover' she had when she was eight.

It's not hard to see how 'Likes them Young' and no minimum age for the characters sends the Light Hearted Anime Express barrelling off the tracks right into Creepy As Fuck Swamp in short order.

Quote from: StormBringer11 year old maid

If I remember correctly, you have to fill the age window on the chargen, so playing 11 years old character is entirely your option... and, because age doesn't mean anything in this game you can allways change it.

Quote from: StormBringerAside from game mechanic terms, what does Stress represent?

It causes stress explosion. In this case doing alcohol/drugs.

Well this still does not fall into "imagining all the ways an eleven year old can perform sex acts" terrain. No doubt the bolded parts of your post, displays a lot of innuendo, but sex acts ?

The main reason I asked was, if there were indeed descriptions of sex acts esp those performed by eleven years olds I would definitely feel the need to go over to storygames where I am a member (although I don't post there) and tell Andy K & Co, to get some help and yeah, that it would be better (IMO) if they were not a part of this hobby.

Also from your posting history, you don't seem like the type of poster who shoot his mouth of. Your original post made it seem that the system - charts make up a big part of it, if I'm not mistaken - was littered with sex acts.

Quote from: StormBringer;256637It's not hard to see how 'Likes them Young' and no minimum age for the characters sends the Light Hearted Anime Express barrelling off the tracks right into Creepy As Fuck Swamp in short order.

Well I question the need for a Dark option mode of play for what is essentially supposed to be a light hearted comic game.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;256639Well this still does not fall into "imagining all the ways an eleven year old can perform sex acts" terrain. No doubt the bolded parts of your post, displays a lot of innuendo, but sex acts ?

"... you had a lover once..."

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;256641"... you had a lover once..."

This is an example of a sex act ? Or didn't you read the rest of my post.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;256642This is an example of a sex act ? Or didn't you read the rest of my post.

You start as you mean to go on. You don't have things happen in character generation that can't happen in play. If your character has had lovers in the past, you'll expect them to have lovers in the future.

At 11 years old.

And of course there's the question of the child having had a sexual relationship in their early childhood, around 8 or so, and having adult feelings about that. According to blokes like Mythusmage that's quite possible. We could ask him about it, but we chased him off. Shall we invite him back?

Come on, if you can bend over backwards that far enough to defend this nonsense, you ought to join the national gymnastic team.

It's vile, puerile shit.

Hentai. Pervert. That's what it's based on and inspired by. So said a reviewer who liked it. That was a point in its favour.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;256643You start as you mean to go on. You don't have things happen in character generation that can't happen in play. If your character has had lovers in the past, you'll expect them to have lovers in the future.

At 11 years old.

And of course there's the question of the child having had a sexual relationship in their early childhood, around 8 or so, and having adult feelings about that. According to blokes like Mythusmage that's quite possible. We could ask him about it, but we chased him off. Shall we invite him back?

Come on, if you can bend over backwards that far enough to defend this nonsense, you ought to join the national gymnastic team.

It's vile, puerile shit.

Hentai. Pervert. That's what it's based on and inspired by. So said a reviewer who liked it. That was a point in its favour.

So I take it that there's no examples of sex acts.  

Or are you saying that Andy K & Co, purposely created/translated a game for pedophiles ?

You put "Mythusmage" and "defending this nonsense", in the same post when refering to me, after all I did was ask, for some clarification from Strombringer about comments he made about the game being discussed and after my comments esp in my last post ? You know what kyle, go fuck yourself.

Regards,
David R

Kyle Aaron: Definition of "lover"... "One, who loves one another, especially sexual love"... especially=/=necessarily, so I thing it's OK.

And since you can determine character's age "as you wish" this is hardly a problem on the side of game. You can for example have 8 years old gangster in Shadowrun in you wish so.

Quote from: jeff37923;256618No, I'm afraid it is exactly as I am describing it. Books like Maid or The Book of Erotic Fantasy are not carried by stores because the store owner knows that they will not sell due precisely to the "moral outrage" that they will cause.That is why a store owner would not carry it.

Maybe in Knoxville TN, but where I live the reaction would range from "don't really care about moral outrage" to "hells yes!"  Frankly, my FLGS carries stuff that makes Maid look like Pokemon (which FTR is one of the reasons I believe that Maid is meant to appeal in part to creepazoids).  Dude, you need to venture outside the Bible Belt once in a blue moon...

KoOS

Quote from: Idinsinuation;256561Everyone discriminates.  I discriminate, but I am also able to admit that my discrimination never makes me right.  It's not a crime, but not being a crime doesn't make something right.  Cheating on your girlfriend is wrong, but it's not a crime.

Unlike cheating on your girlfriend, discrimination is morally neutral.  There are good and bad reasons to discriminate.  Attaching an inherently negative value to discrimination is a product of the kind of morally vacant, everything-is-equally-valid Precious Snowflake Thought that ruins TBP.

KoOS