Quote from: GrimGent;256315...Which leaves it completely up to the players to decide what "young" means and never mentions any age range. 16, 18, 20? It's your choice.

(As for the generator, if you didn't switch off the "darker relationship" option, then that was your choice too.)

Dude, I really don't think you're going to be able to argue this game doesn't have sexual overtones, including ones that are perverse.  Its based on hentai, for christs' sake, and they admit it right there.
Your arguments look pathetic: the very fact that there is a "Darker relationship" option makes it clear that the game is a game with significant sexual overtones, including "dark" ones.

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Quote from: droog;256265Okay, that's it. You idiots have made me buy the Poison'd PDF. Joke's on you, I think.

This kind of thing makes me thing I should make Squirrels: Bust a Nut.

Topical to the thread: Try minding your own morals, not your brothers.
 
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Quote from: Engine;256307So, do any of you spend this much time campaigning against actual child abuse against actual children? It just strikes me that the level of outrage and disgust conveyed here give the impression that some of you must be ultra-dedicated champions of anti-abuse activities, if the fantasy version sets you off in such a way. How much time this week did you spend keeping real-world children from being abused? As much, or more, than you spent complaining about a game in which it is possible for underage children to experience sexual activities?

Yep.  Great point, Engine.  It's because it's easy to get outraged against.  Everyone agrees with you and you don't have to do anything about it.  Just like "terrorism".

Quote from: HinterWelt;256320This kind of thing makes me thing I should make Squirrels: Bust a Nut.

Squine.

But you should. That would be hilarious.  The "edgy" squirrel supplement.  The title sells itself.

Quote from: RPGPundit;256318Dude, I really don't think you're going to be able to argue this game doesn't have sexual overtones, including ones that are perverse.  Its based on hentai, for christs' sake, and they admit it right there.
Your arguments look pathetic: the very fact that there is a "Darker relationship" option makes it clear that the game is a game with significant sexual overtones, including "dark" ones.

Certainly.  But so what?

And it is clear that that mode of play is one of many options, not a necessary direction.

Quote from: RPGPundit;256318Your arguments look pathetic: the very fact that there is a "Darker relationship" option makes it clear that the game is a game with significant sexual overtones, including "dark" ones.

Yup, and they are all optional. You play the game as you choose.

In any case, it's probably time for me to bow out of this little hatefest. Perhaps next you could start a thread about how "Dark Heresy is a space nazi game about religious fanatics who would do anything to serve their master, and I don't need to tell you where that could lead."

Quote from: GrimGent;256305And Rook Catchfly from Nobilis remains "eternally underage" which mostly poses a problem because she has a terrible crush on a man who never even realizes her feelings since in his eyes she's just a child. Playing teenagers or even younger characters than that isn't unprecedented, as said before.

Yes yes, Grimgent. Nobilis can be perverted "Art" too if you like. Don't start getting concerned... I'm sure its just as degenerate as this silly maid game! :rolleyes:

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Quote from: Engine;256307So, do any of you spend this much time campaigning against actual child abuse against actual children? It just strikes me that the level of outrage and disgust conveyed here give the impression that some of you must be ultra-dedicated champions of anti-abuse activities, if the fantasy version sets you off in such a way. How much time this week did you spend keeping real-world children from being abused? As much, or more, than you spent complaining about a game in which it is possible for underage children to experience sexual activities?

Again, for me the issue isn't about protecting "the children": Its about protecting my fucking hobby from the Swine that want to destroy it.

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Quote from: GrimGent;256325In any case, it's probably time for me to bow out of this little hatefest. Perhaps next you could start a thread about how "Dark Heresy is a space nazi game about religious fanatics who would do anything to serve their master, and I don't need to tell you where that could lead."

Not going to happen.  There is no sex in Dark Heresy so it doesn't make them feel all funny and tingly down there which then brings up the voice of their mother and then they have to reach for the clothespeg.

This whole website is based on collectively pretending that RPGs are a fit pursuit for grown men (mostly).

So any argument that there are more important things that we should be doing is correct, applies equally to the person making it, and misses the point.

The fact that the person arguing with you is a NIMBY (Australian expression, standing for 'Not In My Back Yard'), doesn't mean that that shit should in fact be in their back yard.

Quote from: GrimGent;256325Perhaps next you could start a thread about how "Dark Heresy is a space nazi game about religious fanatics who would do anything to serve their master, and I don't need to tell you where that could lead."

It leads to Dogs in the Vineyard!

Quote from: RPGPundit;256327Again, for me the issue isn't about protecting "the children": Its about protecting my fucking hobby from the Swine that want to destroy it.

Can you give me a hypothetical example of a small way in which Maid could damage the hobby?  I'm honestly curious how this would work.

Quote from: RPGPundit;256327Again, for me the issue isn't about protecting "the children": Its about protecting my fucking hobby from the Swine that want to destroy it.

It's my hobby, but I'll let you have a little piece of it.

Quote from: RPGPundit;256327Again, for me the issue isn't about protecting "the children":

Yes, you've been very clear about that. I wasn't talking to you. Your own argument is what I would consider "untenable," but it's certainly not worth objecting.

Quote from: walkerp;256333Can you give me a hypothetical example of a small way in which Maid could damage the hobby?  I'm honestly curious how this would work.

People's descriptions of the worst role-playing experience they've had seem to mostly relate to unwanted sexual situations in-game, and dominating GMs.

This game seems to encourage sexual situations, while presenting itself as a cute and funny game of cute and funny anime.

People have argued that the sex rules are only used if everyone's comfortable with it. But 'checking that everyone's comfortable with it' in practice means what the GM wants it to mean. 'Hey - the ad said the campaign was for mature players.'

For that matter it seems like the GM also has a character, and that character has more social power in-game than the other players? So maybe it also encourages the second 'big bad.' Or at least, railroady GMs are likely to interpret it that way.