Is the hobby really THAT fragile

Age of Fable · October 14, 2008, 07:21:46 AM

Quote from: GrimGent;256095And that sex with the Master may increase Favour is simply another mechanical aspect of the most important relationship in the game. Frankly, I'm not seeing the problem with those.

droog · October 14, 2008, 07:23:34 AM

Okay, that's it. You idiots have made me buy the Poison'd PDF. Joke's on you, I think.

The Yann Waters · October 14, 2008, 07:44:52 AM

Quote from: Age of Fable;256264

So? Short of writing in explicit rules for underage sex, there's no way to account mechanically for the possibility that people might play teenagers who might end up in a raunchy scene (with the consent of everyone involved, naturally enough, and player comfort taken into consideration). That could well prove problematic if the system actually revolved around trading sex for the Master's Favour; but as things stand and with everything else that the character might do affecting Favour as well, why would you ever include anything like that in a session if you don't specifically want to? There are only young kids making out in the game if you put them there. As always, it's all about what the players bring to the table.

walkerp · October 14, 2008, 07:48:13 AM

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;256258However, I think in the process of this discussion if not before "the hobby" has become vastly overrated as a concept. If my opposition to censorship of books makes it impossible for me to publicly reject, insult, decry, and ridicule fans of The Turner Diaries, because I have no business speaking for the "book reading hobby", then I don't give a damn about the hobby. When the topic of virulently racist books, or rape video games, or RPGs that revel in vileness comes up, then if I feel like it I'll speak as a human being, not "a gamer" to say they're messed up. People who expose their fantasies in public do not, as a rule, have a right to hear only "awesome" feedback.

Sure, fine. I'm not arguing against that. You don't really seem to be listening to me, but rather just using my posts to launch off on your own argument.

The Yann Waters · October 14, 2008, 07:53:43 AM

Quote from: jhkim;256123Well, "Sexy" is a commonly-rolled character trait in Maid -- as I recall a 1/6th chance -- so it's not equivalent to making up your own trait of that sort in OtE.

It's somewhat more probable than that since each character receives a combination of two Maid Types out of the six possibilities: Boyish, Cool, Heroine, Lolita, Pure, or Sexy.

For the sake of reference, this might be a good time to post a link to the character generator which someone mentioned on another board...

Kyle Aaron · October 14, 2008, 07:57:25 AM

And again, I note that the game is based on a genre of cartoons called pervert cartoons.

Nothing more need be said, really.

Caesar Slaad · October 14, 2008, 07:59:21 AM

Quote from: Serious Paul;256192I think I'd take it a step further. Most people outside the hobby don't care about the hobby period. And their exposure to a game like "Maid" would be sheer shit luck, and certainly infinitely less likely than running across a D&D book at Barnes and Nobles, or something.

Incidentally, there is a copy of the Book of Erotic Fantasy at the nearest Borders to me. Still, no Maid though. (shrug)

The Yann Waters · October 14, 2008, 08:06:31 AM

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;256273And again, I note that the game is based on a genre of cartoons called pervert cartoons.

But not all anime/manga about maids are hentai, even if someone with a maid fetish would get a kick out of them. Just about the only manga of this type that I've actually read is Emma, brought up earlier in the thread, and there's nothing "perverted" about it: the local library carries the Finnish translation of the series on the shelves of both the adult and children's sections.

You know, what puzzles me is the way in which some many posters at this site seem to have without a second thought associated Maid with Poison'd while no one has so much as mentioned Paranoia (or any other comedy game, for that matter). "Players are supposed to be the potential victims of abusive behavior and enjoy it since that is their social station?"

walkerp · October 14, 2008, 08:37:15 AM

It's the sexual thing that freaks out their puritan natures, GrimGent.

Here's the character I generated:

QuoteYour name is Kiko. You are 18 years old. You have metallic eyes and beige hair, and wear an indigo maid uniform. You are boyish and childlike; others describe you as sweet, young and a tomboy.

You are not human, but rather a human-looking robot, with a number of overtly artificial features. You are exceptionally quiet, with a cool, subtle demeanor.

In combat, you wield a whip, a cat-'o-nine-tails, metal whip or the like. When you are extremely upset, you use anything you can lay your hands on to run around destroying things around the mansion.

I find that pretty compelling! What combats do you get into in this game that would take place in a mansion that has a robot maid? I'm more intrigued than I was.

Age of Fable · October 14, 2008, 09:08:55 AM

Quote from: GrimGent;256272It's somewhat more probable than that since each character receives a combination of two Maid Types out of the six possibilities: Boyish, Cool, Heroine, Lolita, Pure, or Sexy.

OK, so, 11 out of 36 chance of being a Lolita (slightly higher if doubles are re-rolled) + specific mechanisms for gaining XP by having sex with the Master + kid, apparently a player-character, on the cover = my 'puritan nature' is 'freaked out'.

droog · October 14, 2008, 09:16:11 AM

Here's Emma:

Looks pretty racy, not. But wait, I found this:

My God, it's Mills and Boon!

The Yann Waters · October 14, 2008, 09:31:59 AM

Quote from: Age of Fable;256287OK, so, 11 out of 36 chance of being a Lolita (slightly higher if doubles are re-rolled) + specific mechanisms for gaining XP by having sex with the Master + kid, apparently a player-character, on the cover = my 'puritan nature' is 'freaked out'.

The "Lolita" type means nothing more than that the maid is childlike, naive and innocent in personality: it's not connected to actual age. Your character could be a sixty-old-year Lolita if you prefer, in other words. Also, under the basic core rules and without the use of special abilities, the Master hands out Favour as he wills. You can gain the same "XP" just by being really good at polishing the silverware.

jgants · October 14, 2008, 09:37:01 AM

Quote from: GrimGent;256289The "Lolita" type means nothing more than that the maid is childlike, naive and innocent in personality: it's not connected to actual age. Your character could be a sixty-old-year Lolita if you prefer, in other words. Also, under the basic core rules and without the use of special abilities, the Master hands out Favour as he wills. You can gain the same "XP" just by being really good at polishing the silverware.

Uh, if that's what they intended to mean, then somebody made a really big translation error because in US English the word "lolita" is pretty much used exclusively to refer to a highly-sexualized pubescent girl (or someone who can pass for under 18).

Age of Fable · October 14, 2008, 09:43:29 AM

what jgants said. With added skepticism that a competent translator would make such an error.

EDIT: according to Wikipedia, "the phrase lolita complex or lolicon is popular in modern-day Japan to refer to a prurient interest in actual or (more commonly) manga or anime depictions of young girls. There is also a style of dress in Japan, often worn by Visual Kei musicians and their fans, called 'Lolita' that is intended to evoke the look of a young girl. Lolita clothing styles range from Classic Lolita or Gothic Lolita to Sweet Lolita or 'Ama Lolita.'"

and everyone in 'Maid' seems to dress the same, so that can't be what it means.

Age of Fable · October 14, 2008, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: GrimGent;256289Also, under the basic core rules and without the use of special abilities, the Master hands out Favour as he wills. You can gain the same "XP" just by being really good at polishing the silverware.

Uh-huh. And with the use of special abilities you, ie your Sexy Lolita ten-year old character that other people describe as curvy, can get XP by having sex with the Master, right?