I'm not surprised that you've uttered useless comment number 3, on this matter. Walkerp got there ahead of you this time, i'm afraid.

Okay OHT, I was just expressing my opinon on the subject. I didn't resort to calling anyone names and when I inadvertently did, I apologized. I'm sorry that you think my comments are useless, I guess I should have cut down on the line by line quoting.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;256061Okay OHT, I was just expressing my opinon on the subject. I didn't resort to calling anyone names and when I inadvertently did, I apologized. I'm sorry that you think my comments are useless, I guess I should not have done the line by line quoting.

Regards,
David R

Not you, mate!

I should have quoted. I was referring to Engine.

Quote from: StormBringer;256046Except devil-worship and heavy metal are cool with the youngsters these (those?) days.

What kind of douchebags do you hang out with? I mean seriously none of this stuff has ever been mainstream, which is why I'm not even in the slightest threatened by it.

Quote from: One Horse Town;256051Any game can result in fucked up stuff. Reinforcing it is not only a different ball-game, it's a different sport, in a different town and wearing different clothes.

Oh please no one here is encouraging this shit, rather several people just happen to be mentioning how they're not threatened by this sort of fringe stuff.

We get you don't like it, and find it distasteful-but christ you're starting to sound like a little kid whining about a toy that's already been replaced, that you never wanted.

Quote from: One Horse Town;256062Not you, mate!

Okay, my bad.

Anyways I think I'm done here. I'll leave the last word to kyle. I mostly agree with him anyway....I have a feeling I'm in for lecture.... with more pictures

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Serious Paul;256063Oh please no one here is encouraging this shit, rather several people just happen to be mentioning how they're not threatened by this sort of fringe stuff.

We get you don't like it, and find it distasteful-but christ you're starting to sound like a little kid whining about a toy that's already been replaced, that you never wanted.

Who said anyone here was encouraging it? Certainly not me. I haven't meant any of this to relate to people here. The only thing i'm coming at this from is the authors responsibility on how play turns out and the ways in which it can happen. Sorry if that annoys you.

Put me on ignore if you find me that tiresome.

Quote from: One Horse Town;256065Who said anyone here was encouraging it?

Perhaps I'm reading your posts, Kyle's post's and the Pundit's posts in the wrong tone, but you guys all seem to be pretty heavily implying this very thing. (To me.)

So sorry if I read it wrong.

QuoteI haven't meant any of this to relate to people here.

I never thought you did, if that helps.

QuoteThe only thing I'm coming at this from is the authors responsibility on how play turns out and the ways in which it can happen. Sorry if that annoys you.

Annoy? No. Do I disagree? Somewhat. I'd rather let my wallet do my voting, by just not supporting games I don't like. The tone, and feel of your posts, and even Kyle's seems to imply that something beyond that is needed-and I'm not so sure I'd agree.

QuotePut me on ignore if you find me that tiresome.

I've never used an IL. Seems silly to me. Just because we disagree here, doesn't mean you'll never say something I'll agree with or could use. But yeah, I have found your tone in the last few posts to be pretty petulant. *Shrugs* It happens right?

I can be petulant and maybe i have been. If so, i apolgise.

I've explained what i mean in several posts to this thread and yet the meaning still isn't getting through. I'm left with the thought that people haven't read the entirety of each of my posts, my clarity of purpose isn't as clear as i thought it was, or folk are being deliberately obtuse.

Maybe the perception is the thing, rather than the behaviour, hmm?

Anyway, i'll follow David away from the thread now.

Quote from: StormBringer;256046Except devil-worship and heavy metal are cool with the youngsters these (those?) days.  I am pretty sure there was never a similar widespread perception about molesting an 11 year old in a maid outfit with a broomstick.

In other words, the more devil-worshippy it was, the more separated from their parents' worldview they were, which made them happy.  I am pretty sure more 11-year-old-maid-molesty-ness won't have the same response.

Yet the moral majority remains silent. Now if D&D could be linked (spuriously or not) to molesting children with brooms then you may have a point. Maid, like Poison'd is too much of a fringe game for that. With the exception of a few hardcore bloggers and forum participants who keep threads like this going no one gives a fuck.

Quote from: Serious Paul;256063What kind of douchebags do you hang out with? I mean seriously none of this stuff has ever been mainstream, which is why I'm not even in the slightest threatened by it.

Well, the devil-worship stuff may not have been mainstream, but it certainly added an appeal to RPGs back in the 80s.  I don't think molesting 11year olds with a broomstick has the same cache.

But heavy metal was never mainstream?  Man what?  Where do you live, Beethovenville?

I mean if you want to spout off nonsense, be my guest, but you are positing an argument that heavy metal is not mainstream, pretending to sexually assault an 11yr old with a broomstick isn't mainstream, so they are equivalent.  And I don't think that is what you mean to posit.

But most of your arguments come down to 'my group doesn't do that, so why worry', without realizing that not everyone that role-plays is part of your group.  So, while interesting, your anecdotes really don't advance or refute any particular point.

Quote from: One Horse Town;256062I should have quoted. I was referring to Engine.

In that case: Okay OHT, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject. I didn't resort to calling anyone names and if I inadvertently did, I apologize. I'm sorry that you think my comments are useless.

Devil worship and heavy metal don't necessarily go hand in hand, So, while interesting, your anecdotes really don't advance or refute any particular point.

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By which I mean, maybe you're correct in identifying a small segment of the game, but you are certainly not correct in assuming it synonymous with the mainstream. Also note I made no mention of heavy metal in my previous posts, but not everyone who roleplays is into heavy metal, or even considers it a part of the roleplaying "experience".

Quote from: Engine;256073In that case: Okay OHT, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject. I didn't resort to calling anyone names and if I inadvertently did, I apologize. I'm sorry that you think my comments are useless.

In that case, i apologise for being petulant.

Quote from: Drew;256068Yet the moral majority remains silent. Now if D&D could be linked (spuriously or not) to molesting children with brooms then you may have a point. Maid, like Poison'd is too much of a fringe game for that. With the exception of a few hardcore bloggers and forum participants who keep threads like this going no one gives a fuck.

It remains silent now.  I would say that has as much to do with its focus on other areas as its lack of relevance these days.  When is the last time the Moral Majority spoke out about anything on the national stage?

Quote from: StormBringer;256079It remains silent now.  I would say that has as much to do with its focus on other areas as its lack of relevance these days.  When is the last time the Moral Majority spoke out about anything on the national stage?

Video games get their share of national-level bad press over here, as does homophobic gangster rap and various other stuff.