Quote from: JeremyR;1095878I think if anything, Starfinder is what will keep Paizo afloat.  I would not be surprised if it ends up being more popular than PF2

I find this very likely. Starfinder will do well, PF2 will kinda hobble alongside PF1 (which the players will keep alive with their existing books) until Paizo puts PF2 out of it's misery and does PF3.
Hell, this is all very new-Coke-ish.

I never played Alternity, though I guess the Sasquatch Studios guys did a reissue or update to it (I just saw a small form printing of it in Guardian  Games in Portland - small size, big price).

It seems odd to me make so many changes with SF but not use that as the basis for PF2. There is no reason why you couldn't do an all fantasy riff, or an all science fiction one either. It has two types of spells already. Why support multiple systems if your base system is so flexible that you don't just extend that with thematic paradigms?

One thing it does make me think of is a panel based game character creator in its presentation, ie theme > race > class > skills > feats. Maybe PF 2 is their refining / expansion of that paradigm, plus the new funky codes to make it less like D&D.

Quote from: trechriron;1095876Why is it a red-headed step-child? I thought that was a snark saying "this person is the fiery rebel of the family, not well regarded, not well behaved...". I would say then that no, SF is not. It's more like the straight-B unassuming younger sibling who weathers every family blow-up by sitting at the table and coloring quietly.

More like the on the edge of the table half exile. Besides, Gingers don't seem to be a protected class yet ;-)

Quote from: Lynn;1095927Besides, Gingers don't seem to be a protected class yet ;-)

That's because they're demons!!!

Quote from: S'mon;1095774I really like the Starfinder Beginner Box. But I understand it is very different from the main system. Not like 5e where the starter set is fully compatible with the core rules.

Really? So they made the same mistake they made with the Pathfinder beginner box again by making them incompatible with the main game?

Paizo truly cannot into game design.

Starfinder bothers me by being far too incomplete in the core book. It was purposefully written to be able to plug in future books.

I hate that design choice and have seen plenty of other systems write far more with less.

For example: equipment. Rather than giving ways to build and calculate item level/cost, they have incomplete lists of items to flesh out in a later armory book. The mech rules in the core book are useless because so few mechs are listed that for vast suaves of levels they are useless compared to cheap heavy armor.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1096036Starfinder bothers me by being far too incomplete in the core book. It was purposefully written to be able to plug in future books.

That could be why Starfinder never appealed to me: I never bought beyond the core book.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1095925I find this very likely. Starfinder will do well, PF2 will kinda hobble alongside PF1 (which the players will keep alive with their existing books) until Paizo puts PF2 out of it's misery and does PF3.
Hell, this is all very new-Coke-ish.

I do admit that when I see those old 4e designers working at Paizo I worry if they are busy cooking up 4e 2 rather then Pathfinder 2.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1096036Starfinder bothers me by being far too incomplete in the core book.

Have you seen the size of the Starfinder core book?  How big do you want that sucker to get to fit in all of your rules?

Quote from: Shasarak;1096093Have you seen the size of the Starfinder core book?  How big do you want that sucker to get to fit in all of your rules?

888 pages

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Quote from: jeff37923;1096098888 pages

Even Traveller did not try and put it into one book.

Quote from: jeff37923;1096098888 pages

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Quote from: Shasarak;1096100Even Traveller did not try and put it into one book.

Still though... BURN!!!

Quote from: trechriron;1096111Still though... BURN!!!

Starfinder Core 528 pages
Alien Archive 160 pages
Pact Worlds 216 pages

Total: 904 pages

In your face Traveller!  In. Your. Face!

Quote from: Morblot;1096034Really? So they made the same mistake they made with the Pathfinder beginner box again by making them incompatible with the main game?

Paizo truly cannot into game design.

My understanding is that it is much less compatible than the PBB; two types of damage track are rolled into one, and skills are combined. The result IMO is a very nice clean game that is incompatible with the over-engineered guff they made for the 'real' game. So, like PBB vs PF only moreso.

If I run Starfinder I'll use the Beginner Box and E4 since it only goes to 4th level - after 4th level every advance gets you a Feat.

Quote from: Shasarak;1096100Even Traveller did not try and put it into one book.

Traveller 5.09 at 656 pages. In one book.

(With binding that doesn't have pages falling out, I might add.)

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Still though... BURN!!!

Traveller will feel mollified if people remember Starfinder in 42 years after its creation.

Quote from: Shasarak;1096114Starfinder Core 528 pages
Alien Archive 160 pages
Pact Worlds 216 pages

Total: 904 pages

In your face Traveller!  In. Your. Face!

"Even Starfinder did not try and put it into one book."